5/11 09:19:34.273 Welcome to World of Warcraft! 5/11 09:19:34.273 Patch 2.4 is now live! 5/11 09:19:34.275 If you are experiencing gameplay issues after patching, please make sure to 5/11 09:19:34.275 uninstall your outdated UI mods. Thank you! 5/11 09:19:36.353 [Guild] Extropia: I can turn myself, but not the camera pov - this might be a laptop thing? 5/11 09:19:36.656 Joined Channel: [1. General - Undercity] 5/11 09:19:36.656 Joined Channel: [2. LocalDefense - Undercity] 5/11 09:19:36.656 Joined Channel: [4. terrornova] 5/11 09:19:48.435 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: good morning 5/11 09:19:50.800 [Guild] Why: first group is almost full 5/11 09:19:52.482 [Guild] Sebrine: yea i'm not in a group or raid....if u want me to be in? 5/11 09:19:54.265 [Guild] Rissy: left click and hold the mouse button down while you're turning the cam 5/11 09:19:54.949 [Guild] Garaka: no, right mouse button should turn yourself, left mouse button should turn the camera 5/11 09:19:57.114 [Guild] Irma: click and drag 5/11 09:19:57.646 Kowski has come online. 5/11 09:19:58.996 [Guild] Ophelie: Use the left mouse button rather than the right, Extropia. 5/11 09:20:02.579 [4. terrornova] Kowski joined channel. 5/11 09:20:10.475 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: hello 5/11 09:20:17.739 [4. terrornova] Kowski: hi terror 5/11 09:20:22.588 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: hi! 5/11 09:20:27.019 [Guild] Pipetter: what is the benefit of being in a raid group here? 5/11 09:20:37.918 [Guild] Irma: more dots! 5/11 09:20:38.507 Changed Channel: [1. General - Tirisfal Glades] 5/11 09:20:38.587 Changed Channel: [2. LocalDefense - Tirisfal Glades] 5/11 09:20:39.481 [Guild] Why: just to find your way here 5/11 09:20:41.368 [Guild] Extropia: hm, right gets me running laterally, left spins *me*... 5/11 09:20:42.031 [Guild] Why: and more dots 5/11 09:20:43.140 [Guild] Maggiemae: summons 5/11 09:20:44.640 [Guild] Garaka: okay, I'm starting a new raid group. who needs an invite? (for direction help, sticking together) 5/11 09:20:45.934 Rhiannonn has come online. 5/11 09:20:51.053 [Guild] Forme: mmh can anyone printscreen me with Svobodu (so that names are visible) 5/11 09:20:51.053 [Guild] Pipetter: oh, then don't worry about me 5/11 09:20:54.861 [Guild] Hypothesis: I do 5/11 09:20:57.440 Kionoto has come online. 5/11 09:21:02.844 Vythien has gone offline. 5/11 09:21:10.398 [Guild] Kandilgre: I can see anyone with cart on the map 5/11 09:21:17.637 [Guild] Kandilgre: so I'm good 5/11 09:21:24.916 [Guild] Garaka: really?? 5/11 09:21:41.673 [Guild] Sebrine: can someone take me to kill one or two things so i can get to lvl 3 5/11 09:21:42.994 [Guild] Kandilgre: i think it's cartographer that does that 5/11 09:21:45.873 [Guild] Kowski: wow nice and secluded spot 5/11 09:21:47.712 [Guild] Thoguht: Aye 5/11 09:21:56.642 [Guild] Kandilgre: anyone in your guild with carographer you can always see on map 5/11 09:21:59.819 [Guild] Catullus: The last exotic Alliance animals have been placed up for auction! One to a customer, please! 5/11 09:22:12.268 [Guild] Garaka: cool! another reason to get cart. 5/11 09:22:14.950 Hin Denburg says: The zeppelin should have just left from Grom'gol... 5/11 09:22:15.787 Zapetta yells: The zeppelin to Orgrimmar has just arrived! All aboard for Durotar! 5/11 09:22:20.507 [Guild] Garaka: who needs a raid invite 5/11 09:22:26.948 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): As long as your guild is < 500 members... 5/11 09:22:34.065 [Guild] Why: I have 12 summons left, if anyone wants / needs 5/11 09:22:37.905 Retief has gone offline. 5/11 09:22:41.623 To Nokota: Hi! were you on yesterday? 5/11 09:22:42.911 Cynedori creates Elixir of Minor Defense. 5/11 09:22:47.841 Cynedori creates Elixir of Minor Defense. 5/11 09:22:48.445 Nokota whispers: hello! yes I was 5/11 09:22:49.271 [Guild] Kandilgre: eh, barely anyone in my 300 account guild has it 5/11 09:22:49.871 Phugue has come online. 5/11 09:22:50.623 [Guild] Rhiannonn: me me.. :) need an invite and someone to port me there 5/11 09:22:52.020 Cynedori creates Minor Healing Potion. 5/11 09:22:55.619 Cynedori creates Minor Healing Potion. 5/11 09:23:01.018 Cynedori creates Minor Healing Potion. 5/11 09:23:01.018 [Guild] Kandilgre: so it's not too bad, mainly officers have it 5/11 09:23:02.139 Uljasa has come online. 5/11 09:23:29.295 [Guild] Irma: climb up from the water north of here 5/11 09:23:29.497 [Guild] Uljasa: greetings everyone! 5/11 09:23:39.175 [Guild] Zscheme: hola 5/11 09:23:41.054 [Guild] Kowski: hi Ulja 5/11 09:23:59.491 [Guild] Uljasa: i presume swimming is the easiest way to obtain the conf venue? 5/11 09:24:00.690 Hin Denburg yells: The zeppelin to Grom'gol has just arrived! All aboard for Stranglethorn! 5/11 09:24:04.930 Computabull has come online. 5/11 09:24:06.729 [Guild] Kowski: aye 5/11 09:24:13.048 [Guild] Uljasa: on my way 5/11 09:24:14.856 Bloodhumour has come online. 5/11 09:24:18.166 Retief has come online. 5/11 09:24:35.966 You bow before Gizsela. 5/11 09:24:38.684 [Guild] Kandilgre: so are you all on that big island? isn't there a lvl 50ish elite there? 5/11 09:24:41.683 [Guild] Kowski: not too far west along the coast 5/11 09:24:43.722 Cloacina has gone offline. 5/11 09:24:50.361 Bazmal creates Linen Bandage. 5/11 09:24:53.281 [Guild] Maggiemae: no elite here 5/11 09:24:56.600 [Guild] Alishya: No, we're on the fort on the south side of BB. 5/11 09:25:05.481 [Guild] Irma: at the tip of the pennisula west of town 5/11 09:25:15.121 [Guild] Catullus: People should begin to swim to the fort! East of the statue on the island. 5/11 09:25:16.717 [Guild] Kandilgre: ah, kk 5/11 09:25:18.319 [Guild] Gonzorina: 90 ONLINE AND COUNTING! 5/11 09:25:18.918 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): ss 5/11 09:25:32.154 Annelida has come online. 5/11 09:25:38.554 [Guild] Warahip: im in the train 5/11 09:25:40.953 [4. terrornova] *Jusdafacs, Maggiemae, Thoguht, Kowski 5/11 09:25:43.792 Phugue has gone offline. 5/11 09:25:44.034 [Guild] Zscheme: ty Why 5/11 09:25:47.551 Vythien has come online. 5/11 09:25:47.792 [Guild] Rissy: in line 5/11 09:25:59.505 Changed Channel: [1. General - Stranglethorn Vale] 5/11 09:25:59.505 Changed Channel: [2. LocalDefense - Stranglethorn Vale] 5/11 09:26:25.960 [Guild] Serne: Someone not in the guild is aking if we can stream video to world2worlds.com, like we did for the first session. Is this possible? 5/11 09:26:45.101 Idnan has come online. 5/11 09:26:52.460 Phugue has come online. 5/11 09:26:57.059 Taurhild has gone offline. 5/11 09:27:18.418 [Guild] Kandilgre: thanks for delight 5/11 09:27:32.296 [Guild] Catullus: If we may use the wall on the side away from Booty Bay for the panel, please! 5/11 09:27:58.930 [Guild] Liebenwalde: yes 5/11 09:28:01.580 [Guild] Boscotore: I am. 5/11 09:28:21.486 [Guild] Boscotore: Though my computer hates me for it, haha. 5/11 09:28:33.287 [Guild] Ophelie: And that was me being pwned by my middle-schooler... 5/11 09:28:36.005 [Guild] Hexameter: madness! 5/11 09:28:39.204 [Guild] Ophelie: >.< 5/11 09:28:42.043 Amulii has come online. 5/11 09:28:52.203 Ronaan has come online. 5/11 09:29:00.659 Catullus has gone offline. 5/11 09:29:22.275 Bytola's pet begins eating a Stringy Wolf Meat. 5/11 09:29:33.633 Rhiannonn seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:29:36.104 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: will put a couple of my screenshots on the guild web site 5/11 09:29:37.952 Warahip has gone offline. 5/11 09:29:48.266 Akigain bursts into dance. 5/11 09:29:48.267 Lack falls asleep. Zzzzzzz. 5/11 09:29:48.798 Garaka says: hey, is it possible to make a follow loop? can the leader follow the last person? will we keep going? 5/11 09:29:50.423 Yasura says: type /follow Kionoto ...hic! 5/11 09:29:50.489 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: great that will be nice 5/11 09:29:58.772 Kandilgre says: it is possible 5/11 09:30:11.857 Crucinogen looks drunk. 5/11 09:30:21.873 Bytola bursts into dance. 5/11 09:30:27.114 Paluka has come online. 5/11 09:30:27.114 Kandilgre says: the end is somewhere after stronglykbul 5/11 09:30:32.566 Gonzorina yells: BRILLIANT!!! 5/11 09:30:32.702 Catullus has come online. 5/11 09:30:40.493 Zomboni says: That would be the end of the world... of warcraft 5/11 09:30:43.167 Saunter has come online. 5/11 09:30:44.737 Stronglykbul says: no the beginning is this bear here 5/11 09:30:45.570 Jusdafacs says: lol 5/11 09:30:56.014 Pipetter looks tipsy. 5/11 09:30:57.848 Extropia says: my trade keeps getting cancelled before I can accept! 5/11 09:31:05.537 [Guild] Mynameisman: Prison-yard exercise circle... 5/11 09:31:15.979 Shahkh has come online. 5/11 09:31:17.185 [Guild] Catullus: Please, panelists move onto the wall near me, away from the city, others move off, please. 5/11 09:31:18.991 [Guild] Forme: RUN PRISONERS RUN 5/11 09:31:22.193 Jusdafacs waves at you. 5/11 09:31:24.185 Kandilgre tells a joke to Zallandra. 5/11 09:31:26.941 Kowski dances with Kionoto. 5/11 09:31:27.054 [Guild] Boscotore: If we could pose in rows for a picture, we can make a giant infinity symbol for Science. 5/11 09:31:31.807 Garaka says: oh that'd be so cute! who's leading? make it a figure-8? 5/11 09:31:32.470 Kowski dances with Kionoto. 5/11 09:31:35.403 Blindedbi has come online. 5/11 09:31:41.075 You wave at Nokota. 5/11 09:31:42.053 Kandilgre tells a joke to Zallandra. 5/11 09:31:42.502 Kionoto says: brb 5/11 09:31:49.895 Mobus hugs Habermas. 5/11 09:31:54.625 Kandilgre tells a joke to Zallandra. 5/11 09:31:56.408 Gonzorina yells: OK FOLKS, THAT'S A WRAP ON THE INSANE CONGA-LINE SPRINTING!!! 5/11 09:32:00.390 Saureus says: hahah 5/11 09:32:06.813 Gonzorina yells: TIME FOR THE CONFERENCE!!! :) 5/11 09:32:07.096 Kandilgre tells a joke to Zallandra. 5/11 09:32:13.770 Nosedinosaur cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 09:32:24.167 Ophelie says: Okay, pirates on this side, ninjas on the other! 5/11 09:32:32.251 Ophelie bursts into dance. 5/11 09:32:35.964 [Guild] Perplextar: swimming to there, beasts too nasty, killed 2ice already 5/11 09:32:37.887 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: Is mark having trouble? 5/11 09:32:41.673 Kionoto says: Ninijias off 5/11 09:32:44.108 Stronglykbul's Tukk is dismissed. 5/11 09:32:44.907 Warahip has come online. 5/11 09:32:51.350 Zomboni whistles at Irma. 5/11 09:32:55.965 [Guild] Garaka: anyone still need a raid invite? I was a little distracted... 5/11 09:32:57.945 [Guild] Amulii: sorry i am a little late.... where did everyone go? 5/11 09:32:58.162 Zomboni dances with Irma. 5/11 09:33:02.901 [Guild] Catullus: NON PANELISTS OFF this wall! 5/11 09:33:05.137 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: Who me? 5/11 09:33:16.426 [Guild] Irma: you can fly from gromgol to BB 5/11 09:33:17.908 [Guild] Catullus: CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER - Lok'tar! 5/11 09:33:22.324 [Guild] Annelida: herding scientists is like herding cats? 5/11 09:33:24.249 [Guild] Catullus: NOTE: Everybody may answer the questions at once. Keep to the topic, but express all the good ideas you can. In responding to others, be clear whom or what topic you mean. 5/11 09:33:27.356 [Guild] Alishya: Once you get far enough south to rez at the graveyard in front of Booty Bay, just rez there, Perp (what I did...) 5/11 09:33:28.171 [Guild] Catullus: CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER - Lok'tar! 5/11 09:33:31.975 Extropia salutes Catullus with respect. 5/11 09:33:33.393 [Guild] Catullus: First, some technical points about chat. We are using Guld text chat exclusively. To get into guild chat type /g ENTER 5/11 09:33:36.823 Noanok cheers! 5/11 09:33:36.823 Yasura looks tipsy. 5/11 09:33:42.220 [Guild] Catullus: You may save a complete record of the session's text by /chatlog but please realize the file does not get saved until you exit WoW. 5/11 09:33:43.042 Bytola's Java is dismissed. 5/11 09:33:44.849 Sebrine seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:33:59.537 [Guild] Catullus: The arrows to the left of the chat window allow you to control the scrolling of the text. You may want to hold a question on the screen while writing your own answer. 5/11 09:34:03.068 Lack looks tipsy. 5/11 09:34:16.340 [Guild] Catullus: At any time, you may ask someone a follow-up question or may comment on what somebody said. Be clear about who and what, e.g.: "Thrall, what exactly do you mean by 'Lok'tar'?" 5/11 09:34:27.242 Zomboni laughs. 5/11 09:34:31.617 Irma gently pats Egbert. 5/11 09:34:39.283 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: i have a suggestion: 5/11 09:34:41.692 [Guild] Catullus: Non panelists off my wall please. 5/11 09:34:46.102 [Guild] Catullus: At any time, you may ask someone a follow-up question or may comment on what somebody said. Be clear about who and what, e.g.: "Thrall, what exactly do you mean by 'Lok'tar'?" 5/11 09:34:57.558 Hypothesis greets Shahkh warmly. 5/11 09:35:01.416 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: Macros for text maybe... 5/11 09:35:02.317 [Guild] Catullus: NOTE: Everybody may answer the questions at once. Keep to the topic, but express all the good ideas you can. In responding to others, be clear whom or what topic you mean. 5/11 09:35:07.032 [Guild] Callea: Formula: Enchant Chest - Minor Mana any1 want it its FREE!!! 5/11 09:35:08.852 [Guild] Catullus: SESSION BEGINS: The chairs of the first two sessions did marvelous jobs successfully managing the presentations and discussions! As an experiment, we will try something a little different this time. 5/11 09:35:13.465 Nosedinosaur seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:35:25.131 [Guild] Catullus: I will ask 10 questions, one about every five minutes. The panelists will answer, but EVERYBODY else can answer too, ideally creating an infoflood. Near the end, all can ask and answer other questions. 5/11 09:35:32.886 [Guild] Catullus: NOTE: Everybody may answer the questions at once. Keep to the topic, but express all the good ideas you can. In responding to others, be clear whom or what topic you mean. 5/11 09:35:39.495 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 1. Given that computer technology and Internet have stabilized, are current virtual worlds a technological dead end? 5/11 09:35:41.044 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 1. Given that computer technology and Internet have stabilized, are current virtual worlds a technological dead end? 5/11 09:35:41.044 Taurhild has come online. 5/11 09:35:44.157 [Guild] Serne: Sorry to interrupt but can we stream video to world2worlds.com again? 5/11 09:35:49.473 Sebrine says: hi 5/11 09:36:00.834 [Guild] Profsmith: what stability, I don't see stability I see change 5/11 09:36:02.791 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Not even close 5/11 09:36:03.666 [Guild] Rissy: Can't today, sorry! need John here for that. 5/11 09:36:04.673 [Guild] Garaka: who says computer technology and internet have stabilized?? 5/11 09:36:05.262 [Guild] Catullus: Ok with video, everybody? 5/11 09:36:09.806 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: Catullus, please tell me what you mean by stabilized. 5/11 09:36:11.099 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 1. Given that computer technology and Internet have stabilized, are current virtual worlds a technological dead end? 5/11 09:36:11.682 Crucinogen looks tipsy. 5/11 09:36:11.682 [Guild] Forme: Not even close, indeed! 5/11 09:36:24.963 [Guild] Boscotore: Technological stability isn't necessarily what virtual worlds need. They need open access more than anything. 5/11 09:36:33.675 [Guild] Boscotore: Worlds need people. 5/11 09:36:37.542 [Guild] Profsmith: certainly there is some "base" level but we've got a long way to go 5/11 09:36:49.808 [Guild] Catullus: Home PC are not getting much better, Moore's law stopped, and Internet latencies are not lowering 5/11 09:36:53.306 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: Did I miss panelist introductions? 5/11 09:36:53.737 [Guild] Peitewhisky: i see technological turbulence, not stability 5/11 09:36:54.949 [Guild] Adarel: we are nowhere newar a dead end think of advancements in ai, like radiant AI in oblivion 5/11 09:36:55.859 [Guild] Nemorensis: i would argue we will see a lot of changes in the nex 2 years to VW's 5/11 09:37:00.484 [Guild] Callea: FREE Formula: Enchant Chest - Minor Mana please take!!! 5/11 09:37:01.686 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: No, none were given 5/11 09:37:05.593 [Guild] Forme: Internet latencies are still can be improve 5/11 09:37:05.806 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: i didn't hear any intros, just the question 5/11 09:37:07.331 [Guild] Forme: d 5/11 09:37:08.834 [Guild] Kandilgre: the open sourcing for these games that allow for mod development allows for constant further adaptation and an ever changing experience. 5/11 09:37:10.383 [Guild] Kionoto: No, virtual world are not a techonolaogical dead end 5/11 09:37:11.353 [Guild] Yasura: I think that thingsh are constantly evolving. People will reshape thingsh constantly. 5/11 09:37:16.053 Zomboni looks tipsy. 5/11 09:37:17.304 [Guild] Shugar: if you reframed the question to say "Are current VWs stuck with the technological base that they are launched, Ithink you might have an arguement 5/11 09:37:22.105 [Guild] Nemorensis: broadband is expanding -- 7-% of homes have it now 5/11 09:37:23.713 [Guild] Kowski: there r parts that r stable, and parts that r in transcient 5/11 09:37:24.417 Zenoelea has gone offline. 5/11 09:37:26.516 [Guild] Profsmith: there are also "countercurrents" - energy consumption being a prime example 5/11 09:37:29.638 [Guild] Uljasa: the fact that many VWs are open source means constant evolution, so no, things aren't stable or in a cul-de-sac 5/11 09:37:45.030 [Guild] Profsmith: these are both drags on usage and drivers of new changes 5/11 09:37:54.776 [Guild] Catullus: Is it like aviation, though,. modest improvement but no big changes? 5/11 09:38:01.200 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: I like this new format. who needs order? 5/11 09:38:07.470 [Guild] Kowski: yes. i think unstable parts are likely to benefit from open sourcing 5/11 09:38:12.378 [Guild] Forme: open-source VWs are not necessarily more rapidly developing than commercial ones 5/11 09:38:15.616 [Guild] Profsmith: we're nowhere near aviation, I don't think 5/11 09:38:18.188 Pipetter seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:38:19.422 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think we will see a lot of changes with new modes of conent creation 5/11 09:38:38.527 [Guild] Kvinesdal: As VW's are complex socio-technical systems, they have exhibited a distinct cyclic pattern to deveopment and adoption. Last major wave was the mid-90's push with Worlds Away, The Palace, Habitat, and the 2D/3D inhabited chat spaces. 5/11 09:38:41.376 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: I asked Catullus to introduce the panelists and he said no 5/11 09:38:46.197 [Guild] Annelida: considering the costs involved in development...commercial VW's are lightyears ahead of most open source ones 5/11 09:38:50.198 [Guild] Catullus: Nemo - what new modes of content creation? 5/11 09:38:51.527 [Guild] Extropia: Catullus - with new interfaces coming on, profound changes in the sensory impact of VWs might be ahead 5/11 09:38:54.933 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Not much study on what changed that cycle outside of dot bomb economics. 5/11 09:38:55.935 [Guild] Ophelie: I think the open-source nature of WoW is keeping it more viable, though, than other MMORPGs. 5/11 09:38:56.568 [Guild] Hypothesis: in terms of aesthetic and narrative technologies, virtual worlds are just scratching the surface of complexity 5/11 09:38:56.943 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: so we'll have to guess who is who lol 5/11 09:38:57.154 [Guild] Profsmith: aviation is stabilized, in large part, by regulation and risk (insurance) those haven't come into this world (much) yet 5/11 09:38:57.862 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: hmm interesting -- who are they? 5/11 09:38:58.284 Jalena has come online. 5/11 09:39:06.731 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): agreed, and we are only beginning to shee the effectsh of widespread shocial adoption of VWs 5/11 09:39:11.020 [Guild] Kowski: yes. the change may not be rapid, but allow revolutionary development 5/11 09:39:14.870 [Guild] Forme: is WoW open source? O_o 5/11 09:39:15.541 [Guild] Kionoto: The time when we reach a dead end, is when the graphic/gameplay techonalgy of games come to dead end of real life, that is when the techonlagy will be stabalized 5/11 09:39:16.371 [Guild] Serne: Jeff Bezos is one of the financial backers of SSecond Life (he's the guy behind Amazon) and Linden have said that it would be a good thing if, when you are on Amazon, you could see and interact with the 1000s of others on there too 5/11 09:39:32.967 [Guild] Serne: Guess that's where they see the technology going 5/11 09:39:50.247 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: (Sernce) I agree, I think we'll start to see lots of smaller-scale VW's popping up all over the place. 5/11 09:39:53.276 Jalena's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 09:39:53.665 [Guild] Forme: Serne: that doesn't help amazon shopping in any way tho 5/11 09:39:54.374 [Guild] Megapix: Part of the question to me is: what is the advantage of an avatar in that Amazon scenario? 5/11 09:40:06.047 [Guild] Why: Kvine - what sort of new type of interface is economically feasible, that would be considered the 'next stage' and that would make significant change? 5/11 09:40:07.764 [Guild] Maggiemae: i think an important technical question is how can we do what we are doing now better? Or is that a social question? 5/11 09:40:18.541 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: It'd be fun to see if this would work at a face to face conference... just shout out answers... :) 5/11 09:40:19.539 [Guild] Adarel: (megapix) it could increase trust to see someone 5/11 09:40:20.531 [Guild] Perplextar: sorry 2 be late - think VR tech is still expanding fast, actually faster 5/11 09:40:24.806 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): thicker media 5/11 09:40:26.977 [Guild] Ophelie: The mods are open-source. I was shorthanding, Forme. :-) 5/11 09:40:27.365 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: lol 5/11 09:40:31.997 [Guild] Kandilgre: i think even the Wii has jumped on the avatart bandwagon, people like having their own representation 5/11 09:40:33.107 [Guild] Yasura: Forme: I believe some parts of WoW are open-source - it's allowed for a thriving mod community 5/11 09:40:35.390 Madrededios has come online. 5/11 09:40:36.995 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: yes those with the loud voices would prevail 5/11 09:40:37.086 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: (Forme) But imagine if you could browse through amazon using an avatar in a VW bookstore, chatting with sales reps, other customers, etc. 5/11 09:40:47.580 [Guild] Serne: Trust is the same here as offline. 5/11 09:40:52.486 [Guild] Peitewhisky: we will soon see a rise of sensorial capacities of computers, and the integration with everyday life (RL, that is) 5/11 09:40:54.025 [Guild] Megapix: maybe trust is increased with familiar buddies...but again, does the avatar itself do that, or seeing a familiar username? 5/11 09:40:57.430 [Guild] Ophelie: The *fact*that WoW allows mods created by third-parties, and that are open-source, is one of the draws of this VW over others. 5/11 09:40:59.051 Yasura seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:41:02.495 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Why - Good Q. The issue may well not be technical, as Maggie mentions following. 5/11 09:41:02.495 [Guild] Extropia: Nose, yes - it creates the experience of shopping, rather than *purchasing* 5/11 09:41:04.074 [Guild] Forme: Yasura, what i know of is partially open and documented API for mods. 5/11 09:41:16.890 [Guild] Annelida: im not sure that using an avatar to navigate virtual bookshelves would be any easier than using google or amazon...in fact it would likely be annoying 5/11 09:41:21.092 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: technology, if anything, is accelerating not slowing down 5/11 09:41:25.215 Lack seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:41:30.435 [Guild] Shugar: but something like the Wii would not work for the current in-game systems that WoW has, you'd need a complete redesign from the ground up to ensureproper adoption of haptic systems 5/11 09:41:37.074 [Guild] Catullus: You may continue to respond to Question 1, but here comes 2... 5/11 09:41:39.291 [Guild] Maggiemae: i do feel therer is value to the avatars for the purpose of this conference 5/11 09:41:40.709 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 2. Other than WoW's are there really any long-term viable business models for virtual worlds? 5/11 09:41:41.604 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 2. Other than WoW's are there really any long-term viable business models for virtual worlds? 5/11 09:41:44.310 [Guild] Apophenius: sense of community is an advantage of VWs but it doesnt work for shopping 5/11 09:41:44.913 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think we will see varied inputs of new data that will radically increase the "humanness" of VW's 5/11 09:41:53.582 [Guild] Uljasa: much more could be done with body language, gesticulation, facial expressions, and perhaps also haptic interfaces -- advances in these areas may merge VWs/MMOGs with VR 5/11 09:41:54.447 [Guild] Forme: another question: Will we still need virtual worlds when we reach singularity? ) 5/11 09:41:55.594 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: (Anneldia) Easier, no. More familiar, I think so. Easier to lose yourself in the experience? Likely. 5/11 09:41:57.193 [Guild] Extropia: Annelida, VWs are the *social* web - not for everyone in every situation, but that's what is added 5/11 09:42:06.653 [Guild] Serne: Another possible issue is bandwidth - some people are saying we're heading for a buig slow down back to dial up speeds becuase of traffic increase. 5/11 09:42:10.182 [Guild] Profsmith: subscriptions, advertising, those are all we've seen so far 5/11 09:42:10.359 [Guild] Megapix: I dunno; I have a VW and have never had a desire to attend one of their RL roundups :) 5/11 09:42:17.784 [Guild] Maggiemae: and it's not just the avatars, it's the geography 5/11 09:42:24.345 [Guild] Saunter: Q2: micropayments seem to be working for folks in Korea and China just fine 5/11 09:42:29.164 [Guild] Zscheme: I can see a big benefit to the military using vws 5/11 09:42:34.212 Catullus bows before Nemorensis. 5/11 09:42:36.095 [Guild] Forme: Serne: if you need more bandwidth, just disable email servers all over the world 5/11 09:42:36.095 [Guild] Perplextar: singularity also means blusrring the line btw diff realities 5/11 09:42:38.358 [Guild] Maggiemae: i think we have enjoyed the different venues in which we have met -- so much better than the windowless hotel room 5/11 09:42:39.215 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Nice segue into Q2. Yes, you could slay any annoying Amazon call center employee avatars... CRM skyrockets? 5/11 09:42:40.838 [Guild] Nemorensis: sorry i am late 5/11 09:42:47.593 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 2. Other than WoW's are there really any long-term viable business models for virtual worlds? 5/11 09:42:51.081 [Guild] Grimflower: in-game purchases with real money 5/11 09:42:53.459 Ofielia has come online. 5/11 09:42:59.765 [Guild] Forme: Perplextar: true, but will we live on VWs instead at that time? 5/11 09:43:01.303 [Guild] Megapix: hey Kvinesdal--now you are talking! 5/11 09:43:03.371 Cilore has come online. 5/11 09:43:04.066 [Guild] Nemorensis: i would argue los of changes coming for VWs that will be radical 5/11 09:43:04.996 [Guild] Profsmith: the social dividend, if it every was distributed properly, might be a funding source 5/11 09:43:05.566 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): For entertainment companies, for sure, but othewise people need good reason to participate in a VW 5/11 09:43:13.943 [Guild] Kandilgre: I don't know if WoW is viable long term, every large expansion comes with a large loss in veteran usership, people spend a lot of time and effort on gear that is made obsolete by greens in a new path 5/11 09:43:17.463 [Guild] Profsmith: i.e., we could "work" in VW and that would pay for the play 5/11 09:43:17.682 [Guild] Kandilgre: *patch 5/11 09:43:22.285 [Guild] Serne: You could say any e-commerce operation could be in VW just as it could be via a website 5/11 09:43:28.703 [Guild] Nemorensis: VW's will go the way of other virtual environments for funding -- ADVERTISEMENT 5/11 09:43:32.130 Crucinogen seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:43:39.768 [Guild] Maggiemae: WoW needs a break in the narrative, it's becoming repetitive 5/11 09:43:41.407 [Guild] Extropia: Zombodni - not really - the costs to entry are so low, a reason really isn't needed to enter and try 5/11 09:43:42.424 [Guild] Yasura: That's an interesting idea, Profsmith. 5/11 09:43:45.213 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Maggiemae -- Yes, VW's engage our spatial intelligence far better than the average Hilton ballroom. 5/11 09:43:45.823 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: grimflower: ingame purchases, also known as "microtransactions" are what keep many low budget games made oversees running 5/11 09:43:46.841 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): WoW itself had a definite lifespan, new worlds will emerge 5/11 09:43:55.478 [Guild] Hypothesis: the level of investment is currenty so high that the risk might preclude wide-ranging experimentation with business plans ... new developers will probably tend to follow Blizzard's patterns 5/11 09:43:58.704 [Guild] Maggiemae: right about Hilton ballroom! 5/11 09:44:01.509 [Guild] Nemorensis: spor will be here in 1-2 years 5/11 09:44:02.732 [Guild] Forme: Serne: will you run across 3 continents just to buy a model of shoes you want?? 5/11 09:44:16.299 [Guild] Grimflower: @PRofsmith - there have been people in SL doing that 5/11 09:44:17.972 [Guild] Why: They always seem to construct their business plans around some cycle of time with gradual improvements / expansions. They have planned extinction. So long-term is basically seeing when to create a new game. 5/11 09:44:18.195 [Guild] Thoguht: Lots of VWs live long without having the sub numbers of WoW... so what do we mean by viable? 5/11 09:44:18.800 [Guild] Catullus: Spore keeps being promised, but I don't see it. 5/11 09:44:20.020 [Guild] Rissy: There are a number of business models operating now in VWs which are not game oriented AND are not there solely for the entertainment industry. 5/11 09:44:24.045 [Guild] Saunter: Forme: guess it depends on the shoes 5/11 09:44:24.427 Cloacina has come online. 5/11 09:44:25.652 [Guild] Taurhild: I fly across the atlantic for shoes.... 5/11 09:44:25.832 Gonzorina's pet begins eating a Stormwind Brie. 5/11 09:44:29.575 [Guild] Extropia: ty, Rissy! 5/11 09:44:36.323 Zomboni seems to be sobering up. 5/11 09:44:36.927 [Guild] Maggiemae: virtual worlds are about performance and socializing -- as you can see this morning 5/11 09:44:40.215 [Guild] Kvinesdal: The advertising model is a grim one indeed, but one of the few that industry groks. 5/11 09:44:42.048 [Guild] Profsmith: secondlife is the model for "work for play in VW" 5/11 09:44:47.858 [Guild] Serne: No, but in other worlds you can teleport straight there - you can buy reeboks in SL and customise them for you and your avatar! So people do buy shoes there 5/11 09:44:49.870 [Guild] Maggiemae: the avatar and a set of skills and a communication medium is needed for that 5/11 09:44:54.382 [Guild] Hypothesis: but there may be some models in merging virtual worlds with other entertainment forms - e.g. the Wii meets WoW meets Macintosh 5/11 09:44:57.140 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think we will see more merger between work and play 5/11 09:45:11.138 [Guild] Mynameisman: On Question 2: Given that WoW institutes an artificial sequence of labor goals (do X to achieve Y), I'm intersted in how what ATTRACTS users to game spaces like WoW is, despite the appearance of "play," users are attracted to vw's with labor structures. 5/11 09:45:12.200 [Guild] Extropia: Kvienesdal, I've not seen advertising be really effective in VWs - rather it seems to be one of the greater challenges 5/11 09:45:17.242 [Guild] Catullus: I hate to fly, and it is expensive, energy inefficient, and may become unsafe. Virtual meeting smay be the only choice, even in business. 5/11 09:45:17.756 [Guild] Apophenius: if there is a business that invovles deliberation such as deliberative prediction markets then that would benefit from VW sense of community 5/11 09:45:18.431 [Guild] Kvinesdal: The Spore vision is certainly seductive. 5/11 09:45:24.299 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Better modes of social organization of information also become possible 5/11 09:45:25.394 Tannim's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 09:45:33.051 [Guild] Nemorensis: i also think we will see more passively multiplayer online games 5/11 09:45:36.344 [Guild] Profsmith: VWs could benefit from a better understanding of human communication and socialization - so far this seems like cmns as designed by nerds 5/11 09:45:38.357 [Guild] Zedediah: I think we've already seen a merger between work and play :) 5/11 09:45:38.870 [Guild] Maggiemae: *nods* at Catallus 5/11 09:45:40.065 [Guild] Forme: Mynameisman: quest driven development ftw 5/11 09:45:41.395 [Guild] Peitewhisky: think, we will se (re)virtual worlds soon, with whole different gameplays (aka business models) 5/11 09:46:00.197 [Guild] Megapix: Do you all think VW interoperability is essential to success (avatar transfer?) 5/11 09:46:00.883 [Guild] Wraithen: Extropia, the Magic Kingdom by Disney was an MMO tool to advertise Disney's anniversary and exceeded there expectations. 5/11 09:46:08.014 [Guild] Yasura: Virtual meetings seem to be more commonplace. I know that Cisco uses Telepresence at meetings. 5/11 09:46:09.241 [Guild] Maggiemae: people like advancing and they like the sense of purpose WoW gives them 5/11 09:46:10.639 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): YES mega 5/11 09:46:12.479 [Guild] Why: There are also sites that let players network socially beyond a game-as some do when moving from one VW to another. If companies take advantage of this, they could integrate multiple VWs! 5/11 09:46:18.086 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: The appeal of structure is nearly innate, I think. Look at the number of people who work for the man rather than own a small business. 5/11 09:46:19.620 Khatchi has gone offline. 5/11 09:46:25.128 Gonzorina's Darwin is dismissed. 5/11 09:46:27.442 Elywen has come online. 5/11 09:46:33.188 [Guild] Catullus: Question 3 coming up, but continue responses to the others... 5/11 09:46:33.372 [Guild] Kionoto: Wow gives a sence of Accomplishment as if it was in real wow and make seem like it less of VW, which attrats people. So the game that are going to be used for work should feel like its not a VW 5/11 09:46:37.188 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 3. Would standardization of software-data platforms be revolutionary, permitting migration across many worlds? 5/11 09:46:38.196 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 3. Would standardization of software-data platforms be revolutionary, permitting migration across many worlds? 5/11 09:46:46.448 [Guild] Kandilgre: yes 5/11 09:46:50.119 [Guild] Extropia: Wraithen, I think that analogy has limited utility - reaching an audience within a VW is tremendously challeinging 5/11 09:46:52.895 [Guild] Niali: quest rewards, loot, etc is fulfilling - positive reinforcement 5/11 09:46:55.933 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Extropia, agreed, but there is general befuddlement re: business models for VW's other than subscription. We are probably going to see a housecleaning shortly (ie SimsOnline), and the ad model is a safe, proven, fallback. 5/11 09:46:56.530 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think standardization is something we strive for between platofrms 5/11 09:46:58.667 [Guild] Profsmith: i think it is a natural evolution and a desirable thing 5/11 09:47:05.988 [Guild] Forme: really good idea to give users a way to migrate between worlds 5/11 09:47:08.339 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: standardization would be helpful in some circumstances, but not others 5/11 09:47:08.597 [Guild] Apophenius: yes we are at the equivalent of AOL online now and you know what happened to that 5/11 09:47:13.426 [Guild] Serne: Q3 - we'll know soon enough; IBM and Linden Lab are working on it! 5/11 09:47:17.065 [Guild] Nemorensis: we want to integrate our vws 5/11 09:47:21.472 [Guild] Profsmith: like openID, the benefits will outweigh the risks 5/11 09:47:23.482 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: the problem with standardization is that it leaves no room for inovation 5/11 09:47:32.053 [Guild] Grimflower: @Why - compelling idea... reminds me of character transfer feature in late 80s PC games (Bards tale, Wizardry series) 5/11 09:47:33.191 [Guild] Extropia: Kvienesdal, by ad model, are you meaning branded worlds? 5/11 09:47:36.349 [Guild] Pipetter: Would it not introduce restrictions? 5/11 09:47:36.528 [Guild] Profsmith: users want to have some commonality 5/11 09:47:39.684 [Guild] Mynameisman: Thus, given that laboring is "attractive," I wonder how models of labor would migrate between worlds in an open platform scenario. 5/11 09:47:45.191 Lindrius has come online. 5/11 09:47:46.892 [Guild] Wraithen: Extropia, I guess I view it differently as not reaching the audience in the VW but the VW being the advertisement of the intellectual property. 5/11 09:47:48.234 [Guild] Niali: q3 - not only integrate vws, but integrated platforms, i.e. age of conan on pc & xbox 5/11 09:47:51.542 [Guild] Maggiemae: it seems that there is a strong sense of local culture in WoW - moving your avatar all over would diminish that, possibly 5/11 09:47:51.723 [Guild] Uljasa: part of what makes a particular MMO cool, however, might be its boundedness ... do you really want your WoW attributes following you to SL or another VW? 5/11 09:47:53.762 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q3: the revolution might not be standardization, but a method for virtual worlds to communicate with each other - so one could not so much transfer an avatar as "translate" it 5/11 09:47:59.165 [Guild] Nemorensis: i disagree standardization disables innovation 5/11 09:48:00.403 [Guild] Shugar: Q3: it would help, butwhat is the incentive currently? for a company like SOE or NCsoft with games to migrate between perhaps, but why would blizzard follow this model? 5/11 09:48:02.812 [Guild] Maggiemae: yes uljasa 5/11 09:48:06.647 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 3. Would standardization of software-data platforms be revolutionary, permitting migration across many worlds? 5/11 09:48:10.454 [Guild] Yasura: I agree Alwaysofmisha, there's some hesitation to use standardization if it restricts creativity or innovation. 5/11 09:48:13.451 [Guild] Alishya: Extro-No, advertising in games. This quest brought to you by Pepsi, and in game billboards and the like. 5/11 09:48:13.680 [Guild] Extropia: Wraithen, I'll give you that - assuming a brand audience, a VW can build brand loyalty , yes 5/11 09:48:14.866 [Guild] Forme: Alwayofmisha: XML based formats are easy to migrate 5/11 09:48:18.665 [Guild] Maggiemae: people like the scale and locality of WoW 5/11 09:48:27.065 [Guild] Charolais: Maybe similar to the standardization that is going on now in social network sites? 5/11 09:48:27.540 [Guild] Why: grim- I can't remember the name of the site itself, but players who develop relationships in, say, Everquest, and move to Warcraft, can keep track of each other. It's a myspace for MMOs, basically. 5/11 09:48:29.889 [1. General] Tecumseh: Some lowdown level 70 took the arena chest 5/11 09:48:33.588 [Guild] Perplextar: too much standardization too soon disables innovation - need keep things balanced 5/11 09:48:34.197 You cheer at Maggiemae. 5/11 09:48:35.906 [Guild] Profsmith: we need to have standardization at the lower levels - like the internet, and that enables creativity 5/11 09:48:40.055 [Guild] Ophelie: I think the culture in various VWs is different enough that allowing cross-platform migration might be more of a disaster (or a non-issue) than anything. 5/11 09:48:42.629 Celarrash's pet begins eating a Roasted Boar Meat. 5/11 09:48:43.640 [Guild] Rissy: We've discussed this--when you went from one VW to the other you'd walk through a door so to speak--your identity would follow you and you'd walk from one avatar type to the appropriate one for the world you're going to. 5/11 09:48:44.342 [Guild] Kowski: Would you consider VWs already integrated by RW? We are using the same PC to login all of them. Many VWs share the same social circles. 5/11 09:48:44.782 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): As more and more people invest themselves in these spaces, their efforts will need some migration path eventually since worlds are technologically hard coded and have a predictable end of life 5/11 09:48:46.656 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Nemorensis, plug for the exciting Croquet project at Duke/Renci... 5/11 09:48:57.513 [Guild] Extropia: Aliyshya, I've got to think on that one... 5/11 09:49:06.756 [Guild] Mobus: Standization would squash the particularities and uniqueness of a given virtual gaming world 5/11 09:49:07.182 [Guild] Ophelie: People tend to migrate toward the VW that fits their personality -- sometimes this means more than one, but often not. 5/11 09:49:09.031 [Guild] Profsmith: you can put your chars into facebook, for example - imagine a facebook of your mmo "friends" 5/11 09:49:19.443 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think we need to think of standardization as it wllos migration 5/11 09:49:19.952 [Guild] Profsmith: so far just WoW as far as I know 5/11 09:49:24.106 [Guild] Maggiemae: well i could not take Maggiemae to a business meeting at IBM, nor would i want to -- that would spoil the fun 5/11 09:49:28.082 [Guild] Perplextar: say more on the exciting croquet project at duke? 5/11 09:49:31.325 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q3: self-consistency is one reason Azeroth is so attractive - it has a history, a strong narrative, and aesthetic continuity - if these could be introduced across multiple VWs, that could become the dominant paradigm for the next generation of MMOs 5/11 09:49:32.827 [Guild] Irma: many guilds are involved in multiple games 5/11 09:49:33.007 [Guild] Extropia: Prof, there already is a "faceboook" for avatars - mostly WoWers 5/11 09:49:35.433 Crowhorn has come online. 5/11 09:49:38.262 [Guild] Yasura: Profsmith: Warcraft Social does something similar. 5/11 09:49:39.167 [Guild] Apophenius: developers would have t give up some IP rights 5/11 09:49:42.286 [Guild] Kvinesdal: XBox Live (yes, console rant), has been a particularly successful means of preserving identity across games and worlds. 5/11 09:49:46.103 [Guild] Forme: re: Migratings between worlds: I'd love to migrate my battleship from eve to wow and wreak some havoc :) 5/11 09:49:47.691 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: as far as standardization goes, it can be good to certain extents, but we must take a lesson from the WoW druids: we must keep it all in balance 5/11 09:49:57.743 Tiamatt has come online. 5/11 09:50:07.228 [Guild] Why: I agree with the stifling of creativity argument 5/11 09:50:08.674 [Guild] Maggiemae: lovely alway 5/11 09:50:10.956 Sebrine has gone offline. 5/11 09:50:14.091 [Guild] Nemorensis: if you think of standardization just in teh sense of creating a common platform for (co)-creation you actually can enable innovation 5/11 09:50:18.682 [Guild] Uljasa: Prof Smith -- a "facebook" of your MMO friends is functionally your guild and in-game friends list 5/11 09:50:20.876 To Ybika: Do you have the Doodle addon? 5/11 09:50:21.093 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @kvinesdal Yes, but your avater on XBL has no statsitics that carry into the rules/world of the game you'r eplaying. 5/11 09:50:24.303 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 09:50:25.861 [Guild] Rissy: Just have the ID of the person follow from world to world and drop one avatar for the next. 5/11 09:50:29.657 Ybika whispers: nope. what is that? 5/11 09:50:38.530 [Guild] Maggiemae: WoW is created by very imaginative artists -- you can't standardize what they do 5/11 09:50:46.768 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think we need to htink about the importation and migration of different data and content across VW's 5/11 09:50:48.949 [Guild] Profsmith: uljasa - I meant integration with other MMO chars AND your RL friends 5/11 09:50:51.064 Kyrsson has gone offline. 5/11 09:50:54.198 To Ybika: it's a raid tool that lets people collaborate on a drawing... but we could pictochat! :p 5/11 09:50:55.025 Annelida waves at Stronglykbul. 5/11 09:50:56.608 [Guild] Charolais: Standardization can only occur once we have standardized uses for virtual worlds. 5/11 09:50:59.329 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: an example of a bad attempt at standardization would be Window's Live, microsoft's copy and paste version of Xbox Live, noone wants windows live because why would we pay extra for something we already have? 5/11 09:51:00.313 [Guild] Nemorensis: not talking about standardizaing what they do 5/11 09:51:03.740 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): what would be the most important identiy traits for avatar transfer anyhow? What is a baseline that could be universal across multiple settings and storylines? 5/11 09:51:05.552 [Guild] Why: smith- i mentioned earlier that a site does exist for that purpose 5/11 09:51:09.800 [Guild] Hypothesis: Why (Q3): establishing conventions does not automatically equate to the stifling of creativity; countless art forms thrive in periods where rule-based systems emerge (e.g. Moliere) 5/11 09:51:11.868 [Guild] Maggiemae: WoW is already integrated with the RW 5/11 09:51:12.010 Ybika whispers: lol sweet! i will have to check that out. never heard of it. i love me the mods ;) 5/11 09:51:13.782 [Guild] Togda: facebook got an open api, so anyone who creates vw for it will have population right away 5/11 09:51:23.843 [Guild] Profsmith: yes, @why, thx 5/11 09:51:24.270 Kvinesdal cheers at Maggiemae! 5/11 09:51:25.877 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @Maggie that's a good point. Lot s of other games have better graphics but thanks to the art style and direction I still find WoW ore visually arresting than most. 5/11 09:51:26.275 [Guild] Pipetter: Standardization necessarilt includes a common incorporation of rules and bounds. I don't see how this can be anything but restrictive. 5/11 09:51:26.463 [Guild] Wraithen: Part of not having a common platform is data control both for manipulating it as you see fit and being able to sell your data be it through in game items or selling data to marketers if so desired 5/11 09:51:32.194 Ybika whispers: do you have to be ina party? 5/11 09:51:34.097 [Guild] Apophenius: or just expand WoW to include all worlds as subsets 5/11 09:51:38.062 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 4. Could virtual worlds become living memorials for deceased persons, housing AI avatars of them? 5/11 09:51:39.129 [Guild] Uljasa: Prof -- yes, i see the distinction -- good point 5/11 09:51:39.773 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 4. Could virtual worlds become living memorials for deceased persons, housing AI avatars of them? 5/11 09:51:39.952 [Guild] Why: hypo: but I wouldn't compare it strictly to art, I don't think it has a developed sense of aesthetics 5/11 09:51:46.074 To Ybika: actually, I've never used it, so not sure if anyone can draw on it.. or just the party/raid leader 5/11 09:51:50.514 To Ybika: yes.. have to be grouped 5/11 09:51:54.042 [Guild] Zscheme: that seems a bit creepy 5/11 09:51:58.070 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: Creepy... 5/11 09:51:59.413 [Guild] Profsmith: creepy, but interesting 5/11 09:52:00.076 [Guild] Ophelie: @profsmith: but many of us don't *want* to conflate our RL and VL. 5/11 09:52:00.255 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Already have.. 5/11 09:52:00.264 [Guild] Liebenwalde: there already are memorial sites for other games 5/11 09:52:02.974 [Guild] Wraithen: Q4: I believe they already are 5/11 09:52:03.366 Ybika whispers: ah gotcha. nifty idea! 5/11 09:52:04.587 [Guild] Extropia: Why wait till death? 5/11 09:52:05.681 [Guild] Jusdafacs: there are already memorial sites in WoW 5/11 09:52:07.707 [Guild] Apophenius: sort of like a terasen vault? 5/11 09:52:08.106 [Guild] Liebenwalde: with replays of their games 5/11 09:52:08.334 [Guild] Profsmith: like the memorial from yesterday? 5/11 09:52:08.919 [Guild] Maggiemae: well maybe but Blizzard doesn't even store all my old gear :D 5/11 09:52:09.531 [Guild] Zscheme: isn't there one in Tarren Mill? 5/11 09:52:11.923 [Guild] Forme: Q4: We visited a memorial in Wow on day 1! 5/11 09:52:12.223 [Guild] Callea: im here 5/11 09:52:13.033 [Guild] Grimflower: WoW. I'm working on a projuect like that... 5/11 09:52:14.126 [Guild] Mobus: But facebook is standard that employers use it to scan for potential employees 5/11 09:52:16.378 [Guild] Pipetter: Yes, Z 5/11 09:52:16.991 [Guild] Saunter: Q4: I don't see why not 5/11 09:52:17.001 [Guild] Catullus: Many of us visited the Shrine of the Fallen Warrior on Friday, a memorial to article Michael Koiter. 5/11 09:52:17.865 [Guild] Annelida: i hope my kids get me an avatar so i can tell them what to do when im dead... 5/11 09:52:19.983 [Guild] Ophelie: My RL friends are only in on my VL as much as I'm willing to let them. 5/11 09:52:20.249 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q3: and yet the establishing of conventions - of restrictions - can provide a premise on which an identity as an art can be established 5/11 09:52:23.191 Cilore has gone offline. 5/11 09:52:24.629 [Guild] Maggiemae: Tarren Mill yay! 5/11 09:52:26.632 [Guild] Wraithen: There's 2 memorials in this game. One by Barrens for a developer another in outlands for Starcraft Ghost 5/11 09:52:26.807 Ybika whispers: what is your take on today? 5/11 09:52:27.152 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): But that only makes some form of migration all the more essential 5/11 09:52:27.802 [Guild] Jusdafacs: There's one in Shattrath too 5/11 09:52:29.027 [Guild] Mobus: *is so 5/11 09:52:34.832 [Guild] Alishya: They're talkign about a place you can visit and talk with an AI copy of a dead person though. 5/11 09:52:36.171 [Guild] Liebenwalde: you can play an FPS from the view of dead player, say, in DOOM. These exist already as memorials by members of the player community 5/11 09:52:41.902 [Guild] Why: Q4: I'd say it gives more dignity to, say, a deceased pet, than taxadermy /silly 5/11 09:52:42.511 [Guild] Serne: Time Guest (Second Lives) talks about one guy dying from cancer, who paid someone to take on his user account and live out his virtual life. It was his way of extending his time. 5/11 09:52:43.117 [Guild] Zscheme: it seems as if it is already being done 5/11 09:52:46.737 Hycintha has come online. 5/11 09:52:47.532 Stronglykbul's Tukk is dismissed. 5/11 09:52:49.907 [Guild] Profsmith: might be the new business model - think of the casket salesmen calling your mom! 5/11 09:52:51.733 [Guild] Grimflower: There's another in the area south of Arathi 5/11 09:52:51.950 [Guild] Saunter: people spend a good chunk of time in VWs, I don't see why it'd be a bad thing other than most VWs have a limited lifespan 5/11 09:52:54.732 [Guild] Apophenius: could archive peoples minds to download them later into transhumanist entities 5/11 09:52:54.994 [Guild] Perplextar: dont want a memorial - want to MOVE my consciousness to a VR world in 30-40 yrs 5/11 09:52:56.988 [Guild] Yasura: I think in a way they could since we saw the memorial for the artist the other day. As far as being commonplace, I don't see that happening. I think the extent of that would be memorial page on Facebook. 5/11 09:52:57.712 Numbersix has come online. 5/11 09:52:58.396 [Guild] Forme: Once we get a braincopying system akin to ones in Gibson novels, we can keep people in VWs 5/11 09:53:00.296 [Guild] Alishya: I'd say it's rather irrelevant though, since such technology doesn't exist yet, and likely won't anytime soon. 5/11 09:53:00.737 [Guild] Catullus: Only through this conference did I learn there are two others, one on the Aldor rise in Shattrath, and the other in the south east corner of Hillsbrad. 5/11 09:53:03.715 Locklor has come online. 5/11 09:53:07.768 [Guild] Trickshot: Virtual Funerals in the future? 5/11 09:53:10.371 [Guild] Jusdafacs: The one in Shattrath is an avatar of a player who gives you a quest (alli side only) 5/11 09:53:10.381 [Guild] Kowski: we do have memorials in museums? which tell stories to those who want to hear. Why not expand it to VWs? 5/11 09:53:10.562 [Guild] Serne: There's a permanent memorial in Everquest to one player who died, I think in a car crash. 5/11 09:53:11.171 [Guild] Saunter: Perplextar: here here! 5/11 09:53:12.796 Crucinogen has gone offline. 5/11 09:53:16.600 [Guild] Irma: a player in Darnassus was inspired by a deceased developer 5/11 09:53:22.441 [Guild] Liebenwalde: also, keep in mind the Serenity Now attack on a funeral procession -- one player occupied the character of the dead player (and was ganked) 5/11 09:53:24.165 [Guild] Zscheme: will the memorials pile up or only exist for a limited time? 5/11 09:53:25.656 [Guild] Profsmith: isn't one of the VC firms/silicon valley guys doing that sort of thing (memorial gardens online)? 5/11 09:53:27.178 [Guild] Extropia: *agrees with Perplextar 5/11 09:53:27.754 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q4: this is really a profound question when we consider how VWs house memories - the artificial memory constructed when writing the back-story, the memories of the artists involved in development ... 5/11 09:53:28.273 To Ybika: I like the format... just a flood of ideas. the panelists aren't placed above others... but it works for these topics where expertise isn't clearly defined, I think. the previous days had clearer experts that could answer the questions 5/11 09:53:29.276 [Guild] Callea: this is so cool 5/11 09:53:30.102 [Guild] Maggiemae: notice we are talking about the local richness of WoW, its peculiarity, specificity 5/11 09:53:31.699 [Guild] Mynameisman: Question 4: Sure, but only if that avatar is programmed by that individual to do certain things. An image doesn't challenge the idea of "memorial," and an avatar "once" used by a dead person, and now used by another, isn't different from inheriting a ca 5/11 09:53:38.939 [Guild] Catullus: Each NPC humanoid could be given at least the name, and in time some other characteristics of a deceased player. 5/11 09:53:40.308 Deaxter has come online. 5/11 09:53:44.950 [Guild] Why: also Q4: Aren't VWs already a sort of memorial of the dead? Isn't this all in the imaginary? 5/11 09:53:51.015 [Guild] Cymbiotic: the child Taurean quest to find his lost do, wasn't that a "Make a Wish" request fulfilled by WoW designers? 5/11 09:53:55.348 [Guild] Extropia: yesyes - I don't want a memorial, I want *me* 5/11 09:54:00.974 To Ybika: though I also like the subversive, embracing chaos format 5/11 09:54:02.646 [Guild] Yasura: It was, Cymbiotic 5/11 09:54:03.074 Futureworlds says: hi people 5/11 09:54:03.082 [Guild] Cymbiotic: *dog 5/11 09:54:04.158 [Guild] Apophenius: sounds like it could end up being a historical simulation! 5/11 09:54:04.720 [Guild] Gonzorina: I think Q3 can be stated: Can a VW space inspire the kind of spiritual/somber space that a RW memorial can? 5/11 09:54:05.282 [Guild] Uljasa: the cyberpunk author Richard Morgan describes a vaguely related notion in "Altered Carbon" -- where meatspace bodies are mere recepticles for consciousness recorded/represented in mobile hardware 5/11 09:54:05.555 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q4: ... the memories of those who test-play a game, the memories of those who create life-changing experiences in VWs ... preserved on server back-up files as well as in the locations and actions rehearsed in-game 5/11 09:54:06.341 [Guild] Profsmith: you might "groom" your avatar for years, so it has a capability after your RL death 5/11 09:54:09.567 [Guild] Irma: cym--yes 5/11 09:54:10.632 [Guild] Niali: re q4, not to mention in-game memorial services to honor friends, such as the recent "Running of da Bulls for Sharvan" 5/11 09:54:12.836 [Guild] Catullus: If it were done separately by server, something like two million memorials could exist across all of WoW. 5/11 09:54:13.317 Jalena says: hi Future 5/11 09:54:14.766 Ybika whispers: true. though i don't know, i would call this more a town hall or something than a scientific meeting 5/11 09:54:14.949 [Guild] Saunter: Cymbiotic: yes, though its supposed to be an old farmer 5/11 09:54:27.909 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): All VWs currently exist for a limited time now, is there cause to creat public archival worlds perhaps? 5/11 09:54:30.742 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Zscheme, graveyards are regularly emptied out in dense population centers. But digital storage is infinite and free! 5/11 09:54:31.138 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: Q4: with a complex enough algorithm, a computer could possibly find what a person did in the game when they lived, and thus calculate about what they would do if they continued playing 5/11 09:54:35.187 [Guild] Maggiemae: that's technically impractical 5/11 09:54:36.556 To Ybika: a couple of terror novas were trying to figure out how to exercise strict control yesterday and it didn't sit well with me 5/11 09:54:41.787 Futureworlds says: hi folks 5/11 09:54:43.599 [Guild] Profsmith: give your avatar "memories," vocabulary, etc 5/11 09:54:44.406 [Guild] Noanok: imagine your grandchildren logging into WoW and interacting with your NPC avatar 5/11 09:54:47.815 [Guild] Maggiemae: all that storage and retrieval 5/11 09:54:55.795 [Guild] Nemorensis: maggiemae is probably right on tech impossibility 5/11 09:54:56.902 Ybika whispers: oh? heh. i was happy to have a little more order. ah well different strokes i guess ;) 5/11 09:55:07.847 [Guild] Zscheme: @ Kvin, true 5/11 09:55:09.349 [Guild] Apophenius: kurzweill would differ 5/11 09:55:11.353 [Guild] Catullus: With proper respect, Blizzard could charge $100 for it - less than a hedstore in a graveryard. $100 * 2,000,000 = $200,000,000 5/11 09:55:13.719 [Guild] Gonzorina: Anyone can be *superficially* simulated. 5/11 09:55:15.483 [Guild] Forme: It will be technically possible sooner or later. 5/11 09:55:26.737 [Guild] Nemorensis: it is a storage issue i think 5/11 09:55:27.171 [Guild] Shugar: please, 15 years ago, *this* was a tech impossibility 5/11 09:55:28.046 To Ybika: I thought yesterday was good... they were talking about setting up guild permissions so only certain ranks could speak 5/11 09:55:28.998 [Guild] Maggiemae: impractical, not impossible 5/11 09:55:29.422 [Guild] Pipetter: And where would these legions of truly dead go? 5/11 09:55:31.305 [Guild] Perplextar: I hope bainbridge's personality modules will evolve into something that can be used to upload personality to a VR world - need much higher bandwidth tho 5/11 09:55:32.366 [Guild] Irma: not anything you could interact with in a meaningful way 5/11 09:55:39.853 [Guild] Extropia: but the marginal cost of storage is *already* zero 5/11 09:55:40.112 [Guild] Wraithen: Catullus expecting us to all die before WoW becomes old I think is unrealistic 5/11 09:55:42.966 [Guild] Jusdafacs: @Catullus but VWs have limited shelftime, would you really pay for it? 5/11 09:55:44.185 [Guild] Profsmith: catullus is right - this is a big market and Blizz would be silly not to offer it soon 5/11 09:55:47.633 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q4: the sheer quantity of repetitive action that takes place in VWs like WoW is worth considering as either an enacted (and procedural) memory ... 5/11 09:55:48.192 Ybika whispers: oh wow. heh 5/11 09:55:48.370 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Mobs for a zombie mmo 5/11 09:55:50.183 [Guild] Forme: Pipetter: to defend Kalimdor of course 5/11 09:55:50.938 [Guild] Togda: wow=valhalla 5/11 09:55:54.211 [Guild] Maggiemae: i still have to empty the trash on my email! 5/11 09:55:57.838 [Guild] Catullus: Already there is considerable research on how to give avatars AIs that mimic behavior of a particular person. 5/11 09:56:00.735 [Guild] Profsmith: you can start uploading your pics to your memorial site now... 5/11 09:56:01.164 To Ybika: didn't seem right to me. :) 5/11 09:56:01.422 [Guild] Akigain: @catullus: Blizz would definately want a cut for a memorial 5/11 09:56:02.660 [Guild] Pipetter: Nice answer forme :) 5/11 09:56:07.316 [Guild] Why: gonzo- I think it could provoke contemplative / spiritual thought, I don't think there is a distinction between the artifice of a memorial in the game, and a block of stone 5/11 09:56:11.617 Kionoto bursts into dance. 5/11 09:56:13.188 [Guild] Nemorensis: blzz sure would 5/11 09:56:16.814 [Guild] Extropia: Maggiemae, I don' - and Yahoo offers infinite free storage 5/11 09:56:18.150 Zomboni laughs. 5/11 09:56:26.201 Ybika whispers: yeah,t hat might have been a bit extreme 5/11 09:56:27.428 [Guild] Charolais: Q4: this is the topic of much science fiction, the capturing of ones consciousness in electronic media; science fiction is usually a pretty good predictor of reality, given enough time. 5/11 09:56:28.721 To Ybika: but I do think it might've been nice to set up a separate chat channel for the panelists somehow 5/11 09:56:32.188 Tannim has come online. 5/11 09:56:36.057 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @Wraithen Good point, wraith, given the speed of advance in tech/games, and the continued advance of average lifespan, what's the likelyhood that your chosen VW graveyard wouldn't be a joke by the time you were... ready for it? 5/11 09:56:38.082 [Guild] Catullus: An experimental NSF project, "Ask Alex," is building an avatar of a real program officer to answer questions about NSF procedures and programs, just as the real Alex does. 5/11 09:56:46.723 [Guild] Akigain: snow crash rings a bell! 5/11 09:56:46.856 To Ybika: or some way of getting their text to be highlighted among the stream 5/11 09:56:47.815 [Guild] Callea: arillea is missing this meeting she is sleeping 5/11 09:56:50.339 Ybika whispers: well that is the thing huh, could have easily had gc and a backchannel. funny no one thought of that! 5/11 09:56:58.186 [Guild] Maggiemae: Ender's Game predicted blogs 5/11 09:57:01.394 [Guild] Profsmith: something for the grandchildren, for sure 5/11 09:57:01.794 [Guild] Catullus: Read for the next question....? 5/11 09:57:05.043 [Guild] Liebenwalde: there are less complicated ways to memorialize the dead 5/11 09:57:05.416 [Guild] Gonzorina: [What if RW Alex dies...?] 5/11 09:57:07.856 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 5. Will virtual worlds create social and cultural alternatives that then thrive in the "real world?" 5/11 09:57:09.638 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 5. Will virtual worlds create social and cultural alternatives that then thrive in the "real world?" 5/11 09:57:09.647 [Guild] Callea: *draws on Arillea's face* hehe 5/11 09:57:10.242 [Guild] Grimflower: @Togda - WoW= Purgatory... the grind of leveling is expiation and the path to transcendence 5/11 09:57:10.465 [Guild] Irma: char--I'd disagree--but given enough ideas, some are bound to come true 5/11 09:57:12.772 [Guild] Profsmith: train it to say "When I was a boy..." 5/11 09:57:12.867 To Ybika: Next time! 5/11 09:57:17.712 Ybika whispers: heh 5/11 09:57:17.886 [Guild] Wraithen: Extropia, that is how it's sold but it's technically not unlimited as it's base off the upload rates they have. Trying to "store" large files isn't realistic 5/11 09:57:25.616 [Guild] Apophenius: memorialize or experiment on? 5/11 09:57:29.253 [Guild] Forme: @Q5: A true "gift society" maybe? 5/11 09:57:29.552 To Ybika: still.... waaaay better than Second Life 5/11 09:57:30.390 Ybika whispers: hey iforget, did you submit to the player conference too or just aoir? 5/11 09:57:30.570 [Guild] Extropia: Catullus, if they don't, RL is in deep trouble. 5/11 09:57:31.368 [Guild] Profsmith: q5: I say yes, but it will be a rocky road at first 5/11 09:57:37.053 [Guild] Extropia: Forme, yes 5/11 09:57:39.628 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: This game already has, hasn't it? 10-million subscribers sounds like a pretty conpelling alternative culture to me. 5/11 09:57:40.012 [Guild] Forme: Do me a favor in Wow and i'll do you a favor in RL style? 5/11 09:57:40.747 To Ybika: just to In the Game 5/11 09:57:42.702 [Guild] Catullus: The Alex's avatar will continue the service of the real Alex after his death 5/11 09:57:44.330 [Guild] Togda: to grim: twinks ftw 5/11 09:57:45.361 [Guild] Annelida: we already have tons of webpages, myspace pages etc that are memorials to deceased loved ones/friends...expansion into virtual worlds just seems the natural progression, and as tech improves methods will change too 5/11 09:57:47.966 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): yes forme, possibly 5/11 09:57:50.591 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 5. Will virtual worlds create social and cultural alternatives that then thrive in the "real world?" 5/11 09:57:52.492 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 5. Will virtual worlds create social and cultural alternatives that then thrive in the "real world?" 5/11 09:57:54.498 Ybika whispers: ah okay 5/11 09:58:06.459 [Guild] Kandilgre: Q5: Leeeeeroy Jeeeeenkiiiins 5/11 09:58:08.176 [Guild] Extropia: here, the tech *necessitates* new social, political and economic forms - 5/11 09:58:08.176 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: I mean, haven't you ever been in agroup with some WoWers and some nonWoWers? It's so fractious the split is palpable. 5/11 09:58:08.396 Futureworlds has joined the guild. 5/11 09:58:08.573 [Guild] Why: Q5: Have you ever run into a fellow WoW-addict in RL, discovered this in conversation, and then spent 30 minutes talking about the game? 5/11 09:58:09.545 [Guild] Akigain: Q5: ys. I've had informants descirbe somewhat hostile encoutners over faction memebership 5/11 09:58:11.612 Irma nods at Charolais. 5/11 09:58:15.353 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: ever seen those tshirts with WoW based messages on them? IMO that in and of itself is a simple alternative culture 5/11 09:58:15.534 [Guild] Maggiemae: RL and virtual worlds are already intimately linked -- witness this conference 5/11 09:58:17.223 [Guild] Shugar: Q5: do Klingons and Jedi currently count in the RW? If so, head to Blizzcon and let me know what you find... 5/11 09:58:17.933 Ybika whispers: sl is too shades of old active worlds for my taste ;) 5/11 09:58:19.683 [Guild] Zscheme: I have already cashed in on favors in rl for favors in wow myself 5/11 09:58:21.881 [Guild] Forme: I think there are several cases now of people doing favors to each other in exchange for in-game help. 5/11 09:58:22.054 [Guild] Futureworlds: hello 5/11 09:58:23.085 [Guild] Mynameisman: Why: agreed, animated headstone = real stone headstone. But the *appearance* of interaction may satify an urge for the memory of actual action, in the way a name-bearing or inactive memorial might now. 5/11 09:58:28.725 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Viable transnational microeconomies how could they not? 5/11 09:58:29.143 [Guild] Yasura: Q5: I think they will. I think in some ways we already see this. 5/11 09:58:34.464 To Ybika: haha Active Worlds... 5/11 09:58:35.964 [Guild] Maggiemae: my undergrads give me WoW pointers after class 5/11 09:58:45.803 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think we see this happening already, no? 5/11 09:58:48.405 Timepoor has gone offline. 5/11 09:58:52.860 [Guild] Profsmith: the start would be "servers" with only local (<100km) participants, perhaps 5/11 09:58:57.861 [Guild] Apophenius: well, castronovsa disucsses all this in his recent book 5/11 09:58:59.083 [Guild] Zscheme: Wow is a point of interest between my students and I as well 5/11 09:59:00.291 Ybika whispers: heh and they even did in world video streaming in the 90s! ;) 5/11 09:59:03.823 [Guild] Extropia: here there are pressures for cultural evolution that face overwhelming counter pressures in RL - we can (must?) be a vanguard 5/11 09:59:11.046 [Guild] Zscheme: I have even tutored student while in WOW 5/11 09:59:15.672 [Guild] Maggiemae: nice! 5/11 09:59:20.127 [Guild] Catullus: What about prototyping utopias, communes, other experimental forms in VWs before trying them in RW? 5/11 09:59:23.843 To Ybika: Oh, got a question... do you know anyone looking at unofficial WoW servers? 5/11 09:59:28.354 [Guild] Wraithen: Right now it seems to be that if it's accepted in common culture outside of the game then it becomes viable but not the other way around, meaning something that's accepted in a game doesn't just become accepted in common culture. 5/11 09:59:29.771 [Guild] Extropia: Catullus, YES! 5/11 09:59:30.770 [Guild] Zscheme: it freaks their parents out a bit thoughl...lol 5/11 09:59:31.776 [Guild] Maggiemae: fun idea catullus 5/11 09:59:37.399 [Guild] Profsmith: we'd need more control of the environment, I think 5/11 09:59:39.092 [Guild] Alishya: Or maybe Extropias. :) 5/11 09:59:40.386 [Guild] Forme: Catullus: VWs need more flexibility, sort of SL does 5/11 09:59:40.925 [Guild] Gonzorina: Mynameisman: Good point. A walking-talking memorial might beat a block of stone memorial any day! 5/11 09:59:41.243 [Guild] Extropia: there are several already in SL 5/11 09:59:42.218 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Or counter-cultural movements. 5/11 09:59:43.620 [Guild] Saunter: Maggiemae: I regularly raid with my students :) 5/11 09:59:47.450 [Guild] Why: myname - yeah, but the convention of graveyard-visiting and staring at that stone, is itself a behavior that can be repetitive, without meaning 5/11 09:59:49.451 Perplextar says: can somebody tell me how to copy the chatlog? 5/11 09:59:50.456 To Ybika: Beth Kolko told me once about independent servers in 3rd world countries 5/11 09:59:50.974 [Guild] Extropia: Extropia, Al Andalus and others 5/11 09:59:51.888 [Guild] Gonzorina: So sign me up for a VW memorial please. 5/11 09:59:56.679 [Guild] Maggiemae: o nice saunter!! 5/11 09:59:58.592 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): yes, I think that is happening unintentionally already to some extent Catullus 5/11 09:59:59.935 [Guild] Nemorensis: there is work now being done on cross-cultural understanding in VWs to see what can be done to imporve RW x-xultural comm 5/11 10:00:01.556 [Guild] Profsmith: able to create things, like in some of the other games 5/11 10:00:15.033 [Guild] Catullus: Repeating the last Q... 5/11 10:00:16.013 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 5. Will virtual worlds create social and cultural alternatives that then thrive in the "real world?" 5/11 10:00:17.652 [Guild] Akigain: @catullus: could definately be experimented with (utopias), but role would the developers have in it's power structure? 5/11 10:00:24.078 [Guild] Peitewhisky: i wonder when *real* academic conference will be held like a *raid*, with bosses, phat loot etc 5/11 10:00:27.745 [Guild] Rissy: @Nemorensis MacArthur Foundation is doing just that, now. 5/11 10:00:30.125 [Guild] Mynameisman: Q5: Cute question, but it underlines an interesting problematic: this doesn't offer invisibility between vw selves and real-world selves: instead we're talking "about" vw selves, further distinguishing the two. 5/11 10:00:32.739 [Guild] Extropia: Akigain, that's a key question 5/11 10:00:34.450 Zomboni laughs. 5/11 10:00:37.730 [Guild] Apophenius: well there will be immense pressure, prototyping aside, from inhabiants ofVWS to make the RW reflect the VW - e.g. full employment etc. 5/11 10:00:39.378 [Guild] Nemorensis: @rissy that's right and at USC 5/11 10:00:46.205 [Guild] Rissy: Yes :) 5/11 10:00:56.353 [Guild] Rhiannonn: I own a historic cathdral in SL that has memorial candles lit by players that they customize in honor/memory of whatever...some have been burning for a bit over 2 years now :) 5/11 10:00:58.252 Ybika whispers: hmm i don't actually but it is a great topic. when i did eq stuff i epxlored the rogue server thign a bit but didn't do much. someone should definitely pick it up! 5/11 10:01:03.928 [Guild] Forme: Peitewhisky: do you mean hundreds of men in suits attacking a university campus looking for loot? 5/11 10:01:10.229 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q5: a corollary might ask whether the experimental universes in VWs might be used to level clear critiques or investigations of RL institutions - like film and theatre can now (cf Bertolt Brecht) 5/11 10:01:24.911 [Guild] Irma: looking for grant money ;) 5/11 10:01:28.193 [Guild] Nemorensis: @hypothesis -- i like that Q 5/11 10:01:34.358 [Guild] Catullus: Now the next Q.... 5/11 10:01:37.197 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 6. Which online games will become permanent features of human culture, like chess and Monopoly? 5/11 10:01:38.236 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 6. Which online games will become permanent features of human culture, like chess and Monopoly? 5/11 10:01:39.605 [Guild] Noanok: lol 5/11 10:01:53.304 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Already done. 5/11 10:01:56.106 [Guild] Svobodu: that ones? 5/11 10:01:56.501 [Guild] Why: Hypo: definately, players have done this. But activism in the game, using the absurd to disrupt, it seems to have less impact. Players shrug it off. 5/11 10:01:57.353 [Guild] Zscheme: is no D and D one of those already, as evidenced in WOW? 5/11 10:02:05.163 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): the ones that you can play anytime anywhere 5/11 10:02:05.563 [Guild] Megapix: solitaire 5/11 10:02:11.452 [Guild] Thoguht: Maybe certain terms will become permanent? pulling aggro, etc. 5/11 10:02:12.982 [Guild] Maggiemae: poker 5/11 10:02:13.801 [Guild] Profsmith: tetris 5/11 10:02:14.522 [Guild] Jalena: I can think of a few virtual world based "fantasy" societies that have gone offline (as well as continuing online) for years, even pre virtual worlds actually - IRC communities based on textual role play 5/11 10:02:16.329 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: Q6: Is that even possible? Things change too much too fast I think. 5/11 10:02:22.244 [Guild] Forme: @Q6: the first ones will be, like Wow and EVE, just as memorials (see Q4) 5/11 10:02:23.284 [Guild] Maggiemae: scrabulous 5/11 10:02:25.431 [Guild] Apophenius: monoploy hant been around longenough to call it permanent like chess 5/11 10:02:26.121 [Guild] Mynameisman: Neither Chess nor Monopoly are permanent. Monopoly's quite young, actually. 5/11 10:02:26.985 [Guild] Nemorensis: well, i think right now online games maybe too ephemeral to be cultural relics 5/11 10:02:31.310 [Guild] Catullus: You don't think WoW could last forever as Monopoloy did? 5/11 10:02:36.040 [Guild] Serne: I guess ones that are played by different generations. 5/11 10:02:38.741 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q6: a curious question, since it suggests that chess is "permanent"; Monopoly has demonstrated that it can provide a blank space on which to superimpose new narratives, but the form remains the same ... 5/11 10:02:40.050 [Guild] Nemorensis: not sure -- i wonder 5/11 10:02:46.390 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): WoW may be a cultural touchstone, but it will be history soon enough 5/11 10:02:50.725 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Jalena, yes, those are fascinating to examine. 5/11 10:02:51.815 Callea has gone offline. 5/11 10:02:52.220 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: Q6: in my oppinion, they really wont. this is because VWs are as much examples of technological inovation as they are games, they constantly change as the technology improves 5/11 10:02:56.526 [Guild] Maggiemae: WoW is too expensive -- Monopoly is essentially free 5/11 10:03:01.492 [Guild] Yasura: Not sure, there is always speculation about when WoW will hit its "peak" and wane. 5/11 10:03:03.318 [Guild] Kowski: video technologies do get outdated quickly. 5/11 10:03:04.854 [Guild] Annelida: i think that WoW will be another link in a chain of games that blizzard has produced, and the player base tends to follow 5/11 10:03:06.493 [Guild] Irma: it would be a matter of funding, long term 5/11 10:03:07.405 [Guild] Forme: Zomboni: disagree 5/11 10:03:08.202 [Guild] Jalena: Activeworlds was "replaced" by Second Life... Wow "replaced" Diablo.... something may well replace Wow.... 5/11 10:03:10.955 [Guild] Gonzorina: Good point, Mynameisman: How old does a game have to be to qualify as PERMANENT? 5/11 10:03:11.531 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q6: but both chess and monopoly use very very simple technologies - they don't even require boards 5/11 10:03:14.268 [Guild] Maggiemae: yes annelida 5/11 10:03:14.662 [Guild] Mynameisman: But Monopoly IS indicative of the cultural moment that produced it, and its recent "longevity" reflects an underlying understanding of economic culture that still persists 5/11 10:03:26.743 [Guild] Extropia: nice, My! 5/11 10:03:29.752 [Guild] Niali: @Annelida, I agree 5/11 10:03:33.071 [Guild] Forme: A financial change from monthly payments to pay-per-improvement may very well shift aim. 5/11 10:03:36.189 [Guild] Nemorensis: @my -- nice comment 5/11 10:03:39.110 [Guild] Saunter: Q6: even WoW will have to change and become fresh in order to become "permanent", and those changes have significant risk 5/11 10:03:39.293 [Guild] Apophenius: chess has been around forover a thousand years 5/11 10:03:40.181 [Guild] Rissy: Technology changes rapidly and the games in existence at that time would need to be completely revamped on an ongoing basis to endure longterm. Unlikely to happen. 5/11 10:03:40.579 Shahkh has gone offline. 5/11 10:03:42.028 [Guild] Akigain: didn't castronova point out that SW are always up, even if they are not popular? I think WoW will have the lasting power of monopoly 5/11 10:03:46.982 [Guild] Trickshot: Do you think something similar to WOW be built for free with viral marketing to support it? Ie Characters drink coke and buy clothes at the Gap? :) 5/11 10:03:47.888 [Guild] Catullus: I always admired Richard Wagner's 1849 essay, The Artwork of the Future. He predicted a "total world of art," and later believed his Ring operas were the first example. 5/11 10:03:48.155 [Guild] Megapix: lifetime memberships? 5/11 10:03:51.273 [Guild] Grimflower: Also, Monopoly doesn't need an infrastructure to continue 5/11 10:03:53.901 [Guild] Saunter: it would have low probability I thnk 5/11 10:03:56.309 [Guild] Maggiemae: but honestly, ver few people actually play chess 5/11 10:03:57.833 [Guild] Why: Q6: Agree with misha. You might ask, is this type of game going to gain a foothold? Rather than the single game, are MMOs / VWs going to become permanent? 5/11 10:04:00.319 Garaka's pet begins eating a Wild Hog Shank. 5/11 10:04:00.899 [Guild] Maggiemae: its' more of a cultural icon 5/11 10:04:03.960 [Guild] Jalena: Total world of art, I like that. 5/11 10:04:09.181 [Guild] Maggiemae: monopoly is played by manay more 5/11 10:04:12.122 [Guild] Catullus: I thiunk World of Warcraft is a Total Work of Art, that could endure forever. 5/11 10:04:13.175 [Guild] Extropia: Catullus, tell us more? 5/11 10:04:13.484 [Guild] Charolais: Can wow be "permanant"? Isn't it gone the minute we turn off the servers? 5/11 10:04:18.265 [Guild] Hypothesis: Catullus: I think Wagner's an excellent reference point to use here; VWs are prime examples of the gesamtkunstwerk (total work of art) 5/11 10:04:22.047 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Must the game itself survive or only its memes and tropes? 5/11 10:04:24.901 [Guild] Nemorensis: but art and cultural relic are diferent 5/11 10:04:25.873 [Guild] Forme: Apophenius: no game in computer era has been around for even a hundred years, not talking about thousands, so maybe this Q is a moot point? 5/11 10:04:28.671 [Guild] Kandilgre: Private servers 5/11 10:04:37.459 [Guild] Maggiemae: hmm yes 5/11 10:04:37.945 [Guild] Niali: some mmos DO have lifetime memberships 5/11 10:04:38.955 [Guild] Mobus: Who knows, perhaps someone will keep WOW running on a private shard 5/11 10:04:42.013 [Guild] Jusdafacs: @Trickshot like BarbieWorld 5/11 10:04:45.783 [Guild] Wraithen: Q6: The mentioned games are also pick up to play without any life when you walk away from the board while MMO's such as WoW have constinence in your character when you leave and return to the game 5/11 10:04:46.785 [Guild] Apophenius: thatwould be an interesting lawsuit - if WoW was suddenly turned off permanently 5/11 10:04:53.029 [Guild] Shugar: 5 years ago, poeple asked the same thing of EQ1 --> hows it doing at the moment? 5/11 10:04:53.430 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): still, interest will wane and and technology will far supass it 5/11 10:04:55.832 [Guild] Kandilgre: just like going back and playing the old NES cause the games were awesome, private servers will always esist 5/11 10:04:56.272 [Guild] Hypothesis: Catullus: ... and Wagner's ideas (and their influence on, say, film and amusement parks) might be used to predict what may happen in the future of MMOs 5/11 10:05:00.455 [Guild] Catullus: A Total Work oif Art combines many different arts, and it is a collective vision springing from the culture of its creators. 5/11 10:05:01.483 [Guild] Irma: private servers is a thought 5/11 10:05:07.120 [Guild] Nemorensis: right now in my house we have WoW, Wii and SL running 5/11 10:05:10.022 [Guild] Cymbiotic: my mother prefers a virtual jigsaw puzzle now, perhaps its because she's got arthritis or vision limitations, she's very mainstream - if games are mainstream, more adoption of their uses? 5/11 10:05:19.124 [Guild] Nemorensis: which will last longer to my g-kids? 5/11 10:05:27.096 [Guild] Apophenius: Wow may have to continue indefinitely - the developers owe a fiduciary interest to the players 5/11 10:05:28.132 [Guild] Catullus: Star Wars actually has some of Wagern's vision, and the music is very Wagnerian. 5/11 10:05:29.919 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): That gets back to public archival worlds, which are probably very important 5/11 10:05:31.342 [Guild] Megapix: WoW customized to a RL region? WoW plus Google Earth? (like localized Monotony?) 5/11 10:05:45.836 [Guild] Shugar: (apophenius) *snort* 5/11 10:05:56.489 Getfunked has come online. 5/11 10:06:01.108 [Guild] Kowski: I am not sure about WoW, but some mods such as Unreal Engine has persistently produce breathtaking games. 5/11 10:06:06.854 [Guild] Hypothesis: Catullus: Lucas was deliberately using Wagnerian methods - such as leitmotiv, for instance - and trying to bring together visual art, narrative, drama, music, and action in a cohesive artistic experience (gesamtkunstwerk) 5/11 10:06:10.856 Irma laughs at Apophenius. 5/11 10:06:12.030 To Ybika: My submission to In the Game was cobbled together rapidly, so I understand if it isn't up to snuff. :) 5/11 10:06:18.022 [Guild] Zedediah: by fiduciary interest, you mean as long as we keep coming up with $15/mo 5/11 10:06:23.847 [Guild] Maggiemae: lol yes 5/11 10:06:26.855 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Catullus, but is the Wagnerian vision one of by the people for the people? Or the output of a gifted elite channelling for the people? 5/11 10:06:27.384 Trickshot seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:06:27.781 [Guild] Catullus: Hypothesis, your hypothesis is correct. 5/11 10:06:27.960 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): heh 5/11 10:06:48.078 Ronaan's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:06:52.907 Tannim's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:06:55.717 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: actually, if you read the EULA for WoW, they could shut off the game any time they want, and you cant sue them 5/11 10:06:56.114 [Guild] Grimflower: there's an idea.. once WoW has become commercially irrelevant, it may be released a la Unreal/Hal-life engines for open source world develoment 5/11 10:06:56.727 [Guild] Hypothesis: @ Kvin: Wagner's model of artistic creation depends on an active and informed audience who enlarge the meaning of the work beyond the imagination of its author 5/11 10:06:57.727 Irma's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:06:59.161 [Guild] Gonzorina: Catullus, your catullus is also correct. 5/11 10:06:59.955 [Guild] Maggiemae: Wow is created by unusually gifted artists, not the hoi polloi 5/11 10:06:59.968 Ybika whispers: heh. i haven't even seen who applied yet. marinka has that all. i bet it is better than you think though ;) are you coming to aoir no matter what? 5/11 10:07:02.581 [Guild] Catullus: For what its worth, an earlier version was the Flash Gordon serials, for which the music was created by Franz Waxman, John Williams' wagnerian teacher. 5/11 10:07:08.595 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 7. Will some virtual worlds declare political independence, like geographically based nations? 5/11 10:07:08.815 [Guild] Kvinesdal: The ability for user generated content is still quite limited in the more story-driven VW's. 5/11 10:07:10.608 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 7. Will some virtual worlds declare political independence, like geographically based nations? 5/11 10:07:11.605 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 7. Will some virtual worlds declare political independence, like geographically based nations? 5/11 10:07:23.266 [Guild] Kowski: Grimflower: Nice idea 5/11 10:07:33.163 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Mag, and all the better for it! 5/11 10:07:34.418 To Ybika: Not sure.. I wasn't at first, but I will likely be getting some funding over the summer for which I can then attend. 5/11 10:07:37.674 [Guild] Hypothesis: @ Kvin: and yet the action itself - the social interaction - is user-driven, and exceeds the imagination of the designers (or so I'm told) 5/11 10:07:38.756 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: Q7: Not for a long, loooong time. I fever. 5/11 10:07:38.978 [Guild] Maggiemae: indeed! 5/11 10:07:40.867 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: Q7: probably not, as noone would get anything done 5/11 10:07:42.303 [Guild] Slizelina: Virtual nations have declared themselves before VR spaces were so mainstream 5/11 10:07:43.784 [Guild] Perplextar: hope soon 5/11 10:07:46.417 Tannim bursts into dance. 5/11 10:07:46.427 [Guild] Profsmith: Q7: we need new server/network topology for that, I think 5/11 10:07:46.960 [Guild] Shugar: Q7: Eastern Standard Tribe? 5/11 10:07:51.029 To Ybika: for = because of 5/11 10:07:51.258 [Guild] Wraithen: Q7: I don't think you could ever claim to be an exclusive resident of a Virtual World 5/11 10:07:52.966 [Guild] Extropia: the RL political-economic structure will not allow it unless power shifts dramatically 5/11 10:07:52.966 [Guild] Retief: Not unless they control the servers. Owner of server dictates to all on that server 5/11 10:07:53.677 Ybika whispers: ah great :) 5/11 10:07:53.856 [Guild] Slizelina: ladonia is one example 5/11 10:07:57.694 [Guild] Locklor: it's my understanding that EULA's have never really been tested in court and no one is sure how binding they are -- it that true? 5/11 10:07:58.501 [Guild] Peitewhisky: why *declaring*? and not just becoming? 5/11 10:08:00.294 [Guild] Apophenius: no, butRW states will allow VW domicile to be selected for tax purposes, incorporation etc, 5/11 10:08:00.821 [Guild] Forme: Q7: doesn't make practical sense, yet 5/11 10:08:01.311 [Guild] Perplextar: nation states are so 20th cen 5/11 10:08:02.323 [Guild] Ealphaba: arent regional RL politics already moot in VWs? 5/11 10:08:02.933 [Guild] Zscheme: would you have dual citizenship? 5/11 10:08:03.720 [Guild] Megapix: VW independence = taxfree "production" zones? 5/11 10:08:05.043 [Guild] Kowski: You ned any army to do that? 5/11 10:08:05.228 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Nose, delicate blance that WoW managed to nail! 5/11 10:08:05.367 To Ybika: ah.. my grammar = dead in the morning 5/11 10:08:07.034 [Guild] Mobus: Virtual gaming worlds are fundamentally transnational... 5/11 10:08:10.542 [Guild] Gonzorina: Q7 put another way: Will participation in Virtual Worlds come with rights? 5/11 10:08:12.761 [Guild] Charolais: Q7: this starts getting into VW property rights and juris diction... 5/11 10:08:13.394 [Guild] Slizelina: well, i guess i meant becoming 5/11 10:08:13.792 [Guild] Maggiemae: some people spend almost all their time in virtual worlds now 5/11 10:08:16.009 Warahip bursts into dance. 5/11 10:08:16.579 [Guild] Mynameisman: Q7: Non-geographic nations have already been declared: the Romani in Europe declared themselves a "nation." 5/11 10:08:21.618 [Guild] Slizelina: but declaration is part of the process 5/11 10:08:21.712 [Guild] Maggiemae: if they are disabled 5/11 10:08:22.809 Ybika whispers: heh i wouldn't notice anyway at this point believe me ;) 5/11 10:08:24.433 [Guild] Lindrius: Q7: It's difficult to say... especially since the servers are physically located on some country's territory. 5/11 10:08:25.367 [Guild] Catullus: Bruce Tonn has long written about non-spatial government, virtual nations that are not tied to land, perhaps leaving fundamental security issues to a shared authority. 5/11 10:08:29.627 To Ybika: it's not even grammar... what's it called? sentence structure? 5/11 10:08:33.495 [Guild] Mynameisman: The problem is nation recognition - no nation recognizes the Romani as a "nation." 5/11 10:08:35.901 [Guild] Kandilgre: Q7: no, but think about current tax laws regarding online purchases, why are they not subject to local taxes? 5/11 10:08:37.776 [Guild] Kvinesdal: All dedpends who controls the power grid, yes? 5/11 10:08:44.072 [Guild] Why: Q7: In defense of the question, non-entities like MNCs keep growing and gaining power, so what's to say that VWs having some independence just further degrades the westphalian notion of the nation-state? 5/11 10:08:45.970 [Guild] Alishya: The trouble is, you're still bound by server locations. it's more like, can you declare your house a seperate country or not? 5/11 10:08:46.780 [Guild] Perplextar: but the rom are not recognized asa nation by anyone else 5/11 10:08:51.079 [Guild] Akigain: @gonzornia: Well, you have to give up some rights to play (freedom of speech, and association) 5/11 10:08:54.627 [Guild] Irma: what purpose would such a 'nation' serve? 5/11 10:08:55.742 [Guild] Svobodu: suppose "gift culture" is a pretty way to "nation" to declare 5/11 10:08:57.852 [Guild] Maggiemae: right, servers are physical things 5/11 10:09:00.470 [Guild] Nemorensis: server control will be an issue 5/11 10:09:02.881 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): If it is possible to creat a fully p2p VW, then I don't see why not, the question is what "rights" exist there 5/11 10:09:06.185 [Guild] Alishya: And will the country you're seceeding from go along with it? 5/11 10:09:08.193 Ybika whispers: heh my brain is some half mix of poor englist replaced by poor unknown swedish at this point. don't ask me! ;) 5/11 10:09:12.533 [Guild] Profsmith: the comparison to MNCs is a good one, and Blizz *is* an MNC... 5/11 10:09:13.718 [Guild] Forme: Alishya: well, imagine i install servers in Sealand 5/11 10:09:19.147 [Guild] Extropia: thank you Alishaya - that is the question 5/11 10:09:20.955 [Guild] Kowski: In China and some other countries, what happen in game is intricately tied to RW. 5/11 10:09:24.216 [Guild] Catullus: One purpose would be precisely to host a culture that violated the will of the majority or of the power elite. 5/11 10:09:25.200 [Guild] Wraithen: Kandilgre, because not all governments have adjusted to it as such. I believe there are new charges for WoW for specific states based off sales tax that just came in 5/11 10:09:40.277 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: for a VW to declare independance, they will have to have a colony in space... because all the land on earth is claimed and owned by some country or another 5/11 10:09:42.736 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q7: Neal Stephenson's book _Cryptonomicon_ has some interesting speculation on that general idea 5/11 10:09:48.724 [Guild] Extropia: sovereignty is an assertion of power, and until VWs have power, nothing will happen 5/11 10:09:52.350 [Guild] Charolais: Are offshore poker servers independant "nations"? 5/11 10:09:53.333 [Guild] Megapix: The New Martians! 5/11 10:09:53.563 [Guild] Nemorensis: @hypoth -- sure does 5/11 10:09:54.879 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Or, to a lesser extend, violated the social norms of the majority. 5/11 10:09:59.880 [Guild] Irma: you don't need a nation to have a stable counter-culture 5/11 10:10:00.157 [Guild] Ealphaba: how would i go about attaining an azeroth/canada dual passport? 5/11 10:10:01.394 [Guild] Apophenius: why do they need a physical space? 5/11 10:10:06.812 [Guild] Why: smith- exactly, and some of the more powerful MNCs have begun to dictate government decision making. So in that sense, they influence just like a nation. 5/11 10:10:11.839 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @Alishya, Yes. Clearly the dependance of the virtual upon the physical is a stickingn point here. It's just... hierarchical. There's no way around it. 5/11 10:10:12.532 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Alwa, p2p is a cloud 5/11 10:10:12.972 [Guild] Forme: @hypothesis - that's what all Sealand thing is about 5/11 10:10:15.520 [Guild] Extropia: Why, yes, good 5/11 10:10:17.682 [Guild] Alishya: Or the owners of the VW would have to own the physical land, like an island in independant waters. 5/11 10:10:19.514 [Guild] Peitewhisky: the issue is not to become another *nation*, but a supranational body, a hyper-nation 5/11 10:10:19.691 [Guild] Mynameisman: I agree, extropia, though what we mean by "power" is pretty hazy. 5/11 10:10:22.470 [Guild] Catullus: For example, I wrote two books about RW communes that practiced group marriage - violating many norms of the surrounding society but not hurting anybody outside. 5/11 10:10:26.550 [Guild] Yasura: I think one would have to revise the notiong of a "nation" 5/11 10:10:31.652 [Guild] Yasura: notion* 5/11 10:10:31.661 [Guild] Extropia: My, I'll grant you that! 5/11 10:10:40.906 [Guild] Nemorensis: i think the term nation would have to be reconsidered too 5/11 10:10:46.238 [Guild] Mynameisman: National identities are multivalent things. 5/11 10:10:52.196 Maggiemae dances with Tannim. 5/11 10:11:04.969 [Guild] Extropia: Nemo, it *deserves* to be reconsidered! 5/11 10:11:10.914 [Guild] Nemorensis: Wow = Supernotion 5/11 10:11:22.181 [Guild] Hypothesis: Yas & Nem: I think you're onto something - raises the possibility that VWs may contribute to re-defining "nation" in real, collectively experienced ways 5/11 10:11:22.586 [Guild] Profsmith: the MNC gains its power, in a sense, by ignoring the nation states, or rising above them - but it has taken several centuries of lobbying for them to build up a global framework of legal "status" 5/11 10:11:25.158 [Guild] Nemorensis: YES I AGREE IT NEEDS RECONSIDERATION 5/11 10:11:27.600 [Guild] Mobus: virtual gamings worlds cannot be understoon in terms of "Nation". They are essentially transnational 5/11 10:11:30.822 [Guild] Charolais: Is the coding authority governing? 5/11 10:11:31.002 Pirho has come online. 5/11 10:11:34.411 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 8. What as-yet unrecognized social functions could virtual worlds serve? 5/11 10:11:35.217 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 8. What as-yet unrecognized social functions could virtual worlds serve? 5/11 10:11:36.027 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 8. What as-yet unrecognized social functions could virtual worlds serve? 5/11 10:11:41.055 [Guild] Why: peite- again yes, but then as hyper-nation, what sort of influence would it hold politically? 5/11 10:11:41.972 Warahip dances with Bowhunk. 5/11 10:11:43.663 [Guild] Mynameisman: But nation-states as entities are and are not tied to a group's identifying with that nation. 5/11 10:11:51.722 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: if you're undead, do you get a tax break because you've already died? 5/11 10:11:51.733 [Guild] Maggiemae: they are not transnational totally -- governments manage them differently 5/11 10:11:53.945 Zedediah has a headache from reading too much too fast 5/11 10:11:56.163 [Guild] Profsmith: I think VWs have an emerging role in family dynamics 5/11 10:11:57.850 Warahip dances with Maggiemae. 5/11 10:12:10.656 [Guild] Megapix: Babysitter? 5/11 10:12:11.352 [Guild] Nemorensis: cross-generational 5/11 10:12:12.141 [Guild] Profsmith: akin to the facebook family 5/11 10:12:13.184 [Guild] Peitewhisky: Q8 personal (= and therefore social) transformation 5/11 10:12:15.854 [Guild] Maggiemae: as isn China where they are managed carefully 5/11 10:12:16.863 [Guild] Cymbiotic: as we age...could you see nursing homes provide the incapacitated a nice view of whatever worlds they wish to live in on demand? 5/11 10:12:17.259 [Guild] Forme: profsmith: both positive and negative? 5/11 10:12:22.117 Maggiemae dances with Warahip. 5/11 10:12:23.435 [Guild] Zscheme: I can see the education battlefield benefiting from vws 5/11 10:12:28.738 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: Q8: well thats kinda a bad question... if its "as-yet unrecognized" we wouldnt be recognizing it would we now? :D 5/11 10:12:28.972 [Guild] Extropia: I think a main role is in things RL has forgotten how to do - provide community and meaning 5/11 10:12:32.675 [Guild] Profsmith: positive and negative, yes 5/11 10:12:35.688 [Guild] Nemorensis: oh yes, lots of potentail education applications and purposes 5/11 10:12:36.084 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: Q8: Conventry! A VW could be created as a subest of another VW. The subordinate VW would be a place where you do *not* want to go, but are instead removed to from the larger VW if you violate certain terms/rules/conditions. 5/11 10:12:42.040 [Guild] Mobus: you can easily say that VW represent civil society rather than nations 5/11 10:12:43.922 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Q8, yes, social transformation. The therapy space has been explored for a while, just not deeply. 5/11 10:12:51.069 [Guild] Apophenius: creation of a universal global mythos 5/11 10:12:53.191 [Guild] Irma: I think vw's identity would be closer to a religious movement, than political 5/11 10:13:00.270 [Guild] Profsmith: i still thing we should see more language training, math training in a VW 5/11 10:13:03.277 [Guild] Kvinesdal: The discussion yesterday about VW's preparing one for leadership or management was an engaging on in this area. 5/11 10:13:08.683 [Guild] Maggiemae: language and math indeed 5/11 10:13:10.296 [Guild] Charolais: Virtual worlds+social netrworks+instant messaging=new communication model 5/11 10:13:11.501 [Guild] Zscheme: aye aye Prof 5/11 10:13:16.011 [Guild] Pipetter: Wouldn't it be nice IF we could agree to settle war-scale disputes entirely in VWs? I mean, not likely, but ... 5/11 10:13:16.023 [Guild] Why: Q8: I think VWs represent the closing of space between the work and home life. They are often veiled forms of work-training, but also play. 5/11 10:13:16.023 Vertheamp has gone offline. 5/11 10:13:16.418 Bevicenth has gone offline. 5/11 10:13:16.418 Teriely has gone offline. 5/11 10:13:17.342 Trickshot has gone offline. 5/11 10:13:17.747 Svobodu has gone offline. 5/11 10:13:18.146 [Guild] Shugar: (Profsmith) true, we have 2 researchers here that are looking at those issues, family gaming groups, and couples who play together 5/11 10:13:18.548 Hexameter has gone offline. 5/11 10:13:20.838 [Guild] Maggiemae: we already have that model 5/11 10:13:23.722 [Guild] Gizsela: like the second league in professional soccer 5/11 10:13:27.689 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q8: Apo's right - VWs, like other immersive narrative forms, might contribute powerful, transnational mythoi and topoi 5/11 10:13:33.811 Teriely has come online. 5/11 10:13:34.028 Bevicenth has come online. 5/11 10:13:34.507 [Guild] Extropia: Charolias - and, equals new political model - a state is just a communications and control tool 5/11 10:13:35.748 Vertheamp has come online. 5/11 10:13:35.929 Svobodu has come online. 5/11 10:13:40.380 [Guild] Kowski: VW seems to be also an experimental social space. 5/11 10:13:43.458 [Guild] Shugar: but in essence these are RW forms that are mapped to the VW, not the other way 5/11 10:13:46.583 [Guild] Megapix: Look at America's Army--other structured roleplays? 5/11 10:13:48.214 [Guild] Idnan: identity construction is becoming multi-dimensional - people belong to multiple online communities and develop multiple identities at times - it may make more sense to talk about rights in networked communities based on open sourced software... not states 5/11 10:13:57.359 Tannim dances with Maggiemae. 5/11 10:13:58.577 [Guild] Wraithen: Profsmith, by sating that it should be used for language and math where do you feel that a VW give's advantages over other web based tools such as a Voiec Server with online lobby? 5/11 10:14:01.564 [Guild] Maggiemae: if government leaders got immersed in WoW they could stop killing real people :D 5/11 10:14:06.698 [Guild] Wraithen: er stating 5/11 10:14:09.224 [Guild] Mobus: I think VW are self-technologies (Foucault) that operate outside of the Nation-State model 5/11 10:14:12.358 [Guild] Pipetter: Excactly, Maggie. 5/11 10:14:14.269 [Guild] Uljasa: great question -- this theme is certainly out there in fiction! 5/11 10:14:16.579 Kvinesdal cheers at Maggiemae! 5/11 10:14:18.086 [Guild] Kandilgre: WSG for oil ownership 5/11 10:14:18.687 [Guild] Nemorensis: right maggieame 5/11 10:14:21.084 [Guild] Apophenius: or learn how to kill people more efficiently in RL 5/11 10:14:29.120 [Guild] Profsmith: Wraithen - perhaps in the simulation (potential) and the task achievement? 5/11 10:14:33.576 Hexameter has come online. 5/11 10:14:33.585 [Guild] Extropia: *nods at Apo* 5/11 10:14:35.470 [Guild] Locklor: yes, an educational based VM would be very nice; kids could enter their age and the game could adjust accordingly 5/11 10:14:41.231 You are now AFK: Away from Keyboard 5/11 10:14:42.230 Madrededios makes a rude gesture at Ofielia. 5/11 10:14:42.409 [Guild] Mynameisman: Mobus: There is no technology of the self that exists outside of the state ideological apparatus (althusser) 5/11 10:14:44.422 [Guild] Charolais: @Extropia- a new business model as well, businesses are just the people and the communications they do. 5/11 10:14:44.936 You are no longer AFK. 5/11 10:14:45.664 [Guild] Alishya: *suddenly pictures George W playing a human paladin...* 5/11 10:14:46.734 [Guild] Nemorensis: lots of potential education gains to be had 5/11 10:14:47.257 [Guild] Profsmith: eg. math skills required to equip a warrior 5/11 10:14:48.960 [Guild] Extropia: Locklor, "The Diamond Age" 5/11 10:14:50.651 [Guild] Forme: ENDER'S GAME again 5/11 10:14:53.638 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): thats ender's Lock 5/11 10:14:54.958 [Guild] Maggiemae: LOL Alia 5/11 10:14:58.612 [Guild] Jalena: I have been working on a project using elements of the mmorpg experience to teach an existing corporate leadership program in a "new" way, great response. 5/11 10:14:59.731 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q8: I'm curious about how WoW, for instance, functions across languages and cultures; how does it serve as a translation system, or a shared space for intersecting cultures? 5/11 10:15:00.100 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: presidential candidates are already beginning to see what an important feature the internet can be for their campaign, heard about it yesterday on an SL radio show, so how much longer til they realize there are millions in VWs? 5/11 10:15:01.930 [Guild] Profsmith: education skills to interact with a spanish armourer 5/11 10:15:09.329 [Guild] Nemorensis: spaital skiils, pattern recognition skills -- all first steips to creativity 5/11 10:15:16.733 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: Hm, wars would become like BGs? 5/11 10:15:19.130 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @Pipetter: Yeah, something like how kings would sometimes settle disputes with a duel between champions rather than a full-scale bloodbath. 5/11 10:15:20.452 [Guild] Akigain: yes, ron paul used WOW for a campaign tour 5/11 10:15:30.209 [Guild] Forme: @hypothesis: chinese gold farmers are still as bad at english as usual :) 5/11 10:15:31.181 [Guild] Nemorensis: active imagination a la Jung 5/11 10:15:35.600 [Guild] Nokota: @Jalena, me as well. I would be interested in talking more. 5/11 10:15:35.826 [Guild] Extropia: Hillary Clinton has a campaign manager in SL 5/11 10:15:36.229 [Guild] Catullus: Akigain: How did Paul do taht? 5/11 10:15:37.240 [Guild] Wraithen: Prof smith, I con concur with that. Currently at the high end game with min/maxing it encourages understanding the mathematics behind the game mechanics to maximize your character 5/11 10:15:42.848 [Guild] Megapix: Akigan: say more! 5/11 10:15:47.503 Jalena dances with Warahip. 5/11 10:16:02.359 [Guild] Irma: it's interesting to try to help someone with a quest when you only have a rudimentary understanding of their language 5/11 10:16:02.968 [Guild] Nemorensis: a lot of math in Madden Football -- a lot 5/11 10:16:10.843 [Guild] Alishya: Some people do use VWs as a tool to learn other languages though. Specifically seeking out servers where the primary languge is what they want to learn. 5/11 10:16:12.537 [Guild] Why: Hypo: The creators / developers of WoW have discussed this issue. They do have to market to China, to Europe, not just the U.S. And they do keep those cultures in considering when designing the game. 5/11 10:16:18.907 [Guild] Akigain: i forget the server off the top of my head, but his campaiogn organized a march from Stormwind to Ironforge with his supporters 5/11 10:16:26.185 [Guild] Pipetter: However, Nosedinosaur, that would only be possible, if the world as a whole grew to agree to some arbitrary relevance of technology over real world 5/11 10:16:27.539 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q8: not wanting to seem banal, but there's a Star Trek (TOS) episode about a virtualized war ... 5/11 10:16:33.749 Optimoose has come online. 5/11 10:16:36.739 [Guild] Apophenius: allowing protests by people who are afraid to protest IRL - e.g. academics picketing the Estonia embassy in SL yesterday! 5/11 10:16:36.962 [Guild] Maggiemae: but the worlds have to be more gender neutral -- they are all masculinist spaces, more or less now, if we use them for education 5/11 10:16:37.360 [Guild] Alishya: It provides a framework that is known to all the participants, and t he ability to practice language skills in that environment. 5/11 10:16:50.647 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: wait a min... ron paul actually has supporters? :O 5/11 10:16:52.149 [Guild] Nemorensis: SL is 50-50 m-f 5/11 10:16:55.888 [Guild] Akigain: lol 5/11 10:17:01.741 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @Pipetter: Agreed, an amenable 3rd-party arbitrator would be required. 5/11 10:17:03.310 [Guild] Profsmith: when obama wins... 5/11 10:17:04.149 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: When I lose in PvP, I get pissed off.. I am not sure losers using it as a proxy for real war wouldn't then retaliate in RL. 5/11 10:17:07.684 [Guild] Forme: @apophenius: wow, any out-of-SL pointers? 5/11 10:17:09.782 [Guild] Irma: maggie--agree--wow needs more gender neutrality 5/11 10:17:10.787 [Guild] Kowski: I wonder if The Sims would be a more feminine space? 5/11 10:17:12.074 [Guild] Rissy: With the addition of voice, and numerous cultures represented in SL, people are using that platform to "speak" the language with others in their native communities which grew up around a particular country, etc. 5/11 10:17:15.044 [Guild] Annelida: the ron paul rally was on my server....lots of locks showed up and bombed them with infernals 5/11 10:17:22.141 Trickshot has come online. 5/11 10:17:24.961 [Guild] Why: maggie- exactly, they aren't only constructed from a patriarchal discourse, but also a white discourse- discourses of dominance persist in these spaces 5/11 10:17:26.963 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: but you don't go out and hit someone, you just play more 5/11 10:17:38.931 [Guild] Nemorensis: -- nice maggiemae, totally agree 5/11 10:17:48.386 [Guild] Maggiemae: well true, kowski, the sims are not so masculinist 5/11 10:17:49.384 [Guild] Zedediah: Feminine space? clearly you've never been to silvermoon 5/11 10:17:50.515 [Guild] Gonzorina: @Irma: Really? WoW a masculine space? Nooooo... 5/11 10:17:50.698 [Guild] Nemorensis: i wonder what spore will be like 5/11 10:17:54.612 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q8: Rissy - so guild formation, for example, becomes a method for cultures to re-form and transform themselves? interesting 5/11 10:17:56.866 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: I'm just imagining the generals acting liked pissed-off BG players, screaming at their allies that they suck 5/11 10:17:59.780 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: but I also don't use it as a proxy for physical world disputes 5/11 10:18:00.267 [Guild] Shugar: (Maggie; Why) excuse me... have to disagree, 5/11 10:18:05.070 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 9. Could augmented reality (e.g. pervasive LARPs) be the next revolution, virtual and real world combined? 5/11 10:18:06.697 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 9. Could augmented reality (e.g. pervasive LARPs) be the next revolution, virtual and real world combined? 5/11 10:18:08.901 [Guild] Maggiemae: in WoW there is a very defnite gendered language that is male-oriented 5/11 10:18:18.777 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Why, yes, lots of subjegation for the greater good. 5/11 10:18:19.994 [Guild] Rissy: Hypothesis, yes, you'll find many cultures represented in their own communities. 5/11 10:18:24.893 [Guild] Mobus: WoW is a male oriented discourse 5/11 10:18:29.524 [Guild] Maggiemae: yes right 5/11 10:18:30.441 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q9: They already are 5/11 10:18:30.441 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): w00t Halting State 5/11 10:18:31.832 [Guild] Nemorensis: i believe augmented reality is very much the next wave 5/11 10:18:35.959 [Guild] Mynameisman: Maggie: important, though (as the wedding will later demonstrate today) gender-swapping is possible in these spaces. My own name plays with that idea (I'm female in RL). 5/11 10:18:38.678 [Guild] Pipetter: Q9: I see it as a definite goal. 5/11 10:18:40.908 Jalena dances with Profsmith. 5/11 10:18:41.488 [Guild] Zedediah: like "The Guild"? 5/11 10:18:42.188 [Guild] Adarel: @ kvin why is subjugation always considered a male thing? 5/11 10:18:42.621 [Guild] Akigain: definately, the first femal toon I made got hounded by male players THE MOMENT i entered my server! 5/11 10:18:45.010 [Guild] Mobus: look at how woman are depicted 5/11 10:18:48.331 [Guild] Forme: Q9: i want a lawnmower-man-style interface for wow 5/11 10:18:56.969 [Guild] Maggiemae: gender swapping is possible but little practiced in WoW 5/11 10:18:57.970 Tannim dances with Crowhorn. 5/11 10:19:03.018 [Guild] Megapix: Yes, I think things that combine real world and virtual will be big 5/11 10:19:03.841 [Guild] Shugar: (Maggie) is there any proof to that assertion? 5/11 10:19:10.082 [Guild] Maggiemae: just creating an opposite-gender character is not gender swapping 5/11 10:19:10.263 [Guild] Ealphaba: augmented reality will completely revolutionize the game world 5/11 10:19:13.090 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Q9, I think this has tremendous promise, but little research to date. Journal of CSCW 16:1-2 did a nice special issue on LARP related topics. 5/11 10:19:16.083 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 9. Could augmented reality (e.g. pervasive LARPs) be the next revolution, virtual and real world combined? 5/11 10:19:16.779 [Guild] Nemorensis: gender swapping as an option iis different from a gender netural discourse 5/11 10:19:17.297 [Guild] Kandilgre: The men aren't exactly couch potatoes in this game 5/11 10:19:24.332 Crowhorn dances with Tannim. 5/11 10:19:30.384 Tiamatt has gone offline. 5/11 10:19:31.878 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q9: the use of the CCG as a real-world corollary - operating alongside but simultaneous with WoW - is an interesting corporate exploration of this paradigm 5/11 10:19:33.628 [Guild] Maggiemae: the evidence is what men say when you interview them about character choice 5/11 10:19:35.606 [Guild] Perplextar: forme: emotiv.com 5/11 10:19:36.205 [Guild] Jusdafacs: @Maggie, I know a lot of men who play as women though 5/11 10:19:39.141 You cheer at Nemorensis. 5/11 10:19:43.566 [Guild] Why: shugar- no one can really claim definite proof, but we can at least speak from empirical understanding, limited as it may be 5/11 10:19:47.254 [Guild] Maggiemae: yes but they are not pretending to be women 5/11 10:19:49.063 [Guild] Akigain: yeah, but men don't have hyper sexulaized parts, like fully erect penis 5/11 10:19:56.122 Jalena's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:20:00.960 [Guild] Catullus: Well, over a third of my 21 WoW characters are female 5/11 10:20:02.440 [Guild] Jusdafacs: @maggie, ah ok didn't understand it like that 5/11 10:20:02.884 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q9: and as the film industry continues to explore the potential of pervasive LARPs, I think there's going to be some interesting attempts at synergy in this area in the near future 5/11 10:20:05.284 Jalena's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:20:08.802 Jalena dances with Wolf. 5/11 10:20:16.164 [Guild] Nemorensis: Geotagged and social tagged tagged photos and movies are becoming more and more ubiquitous. Can imagine that on top of these tags, you can imagine audio data and biophysical data (neuro imaging, heart rates, etc) being layered over leading to multi-sensor 5/11 10:20:22.452 [Guild] Ealphaba: right now i'm playing 4 chars, 2 are male, 2 are female...gender is mostly moot in this game anyway 5/11 10:20:25.074 [Guild] Why: jusda: men playing as women doesn't mean they see themselves from a feminine perspective, they are in fact in a position to objectify and essentialize even more, being IN CONTROL of the female avatar 5/11 10:20:33.624 [Guild] Annelida: WoW is only 14% female players according to one study i read, so that would mean that a very large proportion of the female toons you see running around have a man at the wheel 5/11 10:20:34.643 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Hypo, potential is huge. 5/11 10:20:36.886 [Guild] Shugar: that isn't necessarily proof of an "inherent masculine bias" though 5/11 10:20:37.375 [Guild] Jusdafacs: @Aki isn't the whole bulging muscles hypersexualization? 5/11 10:20:38.037 [Guild] Maggiemae: right Jus 5/11 10:20:46.093 [Guild] Catullus: There have been experiments running games on the streets of Euroipean cities, while half online as well. 5/11 10:20:47.528 Cloacina has gone offline. 5/11 10:20:51.548 [Guild] Charolais: Q9: Magic Missle! 5/11 10:20:52.042 [Guild] Forme: @Nemorensis: how about geotagging wow screnshots with ingame coordinates (23,76) anyone? 5/11 10:21:08.153 [Guild] Kvinesdal: But AR and LARPs don't offer an "escape" which is so often a goal in entertainment. Yes? 5/11 10:21:08.835 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q9: we might look at this conference itself as an experiment in this area 5/11 10:21:10.763 [Guild] Irma: but muscles on men has more appeal to men than women, really 5/11 10:21:10.773 [Guild] Akigain: @jus: NOt really, muscle dont hold the same sexual weight that breasts do 5/11 10:21:20.893 [Guild] Kandilgre: I think beyond male female, there is a startling lack of african america NPC's and toons 5/11 10:21:24.533 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): It will be the next step after HUD GPS is widely available 5/11 10:21:26.957 [Guild] Akigain: agreed 5/11 10:21:29.663 Kionoto has gone offline. 5/11 10:21:30.563 [Guild] Catullus: There is a persistent rumor that Blizzard may develop a cellphone-based extension of WoW, very simple but letting you earn experience and value stuff juist as arenas do now. 5/11 10:21:41.146 [Guild] Garaka: my husband's sword is extremely phallic-looking. does that count? 5/11 10:21:41.508 [Guild] Why: aki- they are hypersexualized, just not in erogenous zones, but in zones that represent "power" 5/11 10:21:41.735 Bartlescriv has come online. 5/11 10:21:43.529 [Guild] Ophelie: @irma; Exactly. 5/11 10:21:47.123 [Guild] Jalena: Stereotypes are a persistent issue in many ways.... 5/11 10:21:50.599 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 10. What will persist into the future from today's virtual worlds? Will they have a history? 5/11 10:21:51.798 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: @Kvinesal: I don't know. I think it might actually be an ever better escape to feel likek you have *real powers* (granted by the AR and the game) in the *real world*. 5/11 10:21:51.993 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 10. What will persist into the future from today's virtual worlds? Will they have a history? 5/11 10:21:52.497 [Guild] Catullus: QUESTION 10. What will persist into the future from today's virtual worlds? Will they have a history? 5/11 10:21:59.756 [Guild] Trickshot: this convention is wayyy to dry.... Now serving Junglevine Wine and Jug of Bourbon just open a trade window with me :) 5/11 10:22:12.000 Alishya tickles Extropia. Hee hee! 5/11 10:22:17.353 [Guild] Nemorensis: hmm historical role or history? 5/11 10:22:18.152 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q10: We might look for comparison to the histories just now emerging of role-playing games and computer games 5/11 10:22:18.253 [Guild] Catullus: Lienebwalde, I believe you have thought deeply about this... 5/11 10:22:22.790 [Guild] Jalena: They have a history already.... 5/11 10:22:32.939 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): @Catullus future worlds or cultural future? 5/11 10:22:33.349 [Guild] Liebenwalde: at Stanford, we're trying to preserve the history -- check out the Preservation of Virtual Worlds project 5/11 10:22:34.424 [Guild] Charolais: I wonder what will persist of anything that is entirely digital; are we going to start losing heritage? 5/11 10:22:35.641 [Guild] Nemorensis: i agree they already havea history 5/11 10:22:36.668 [Guild] Profsmith: we saw a peek of "history" in VWs with that memorial to a dead programmer; major events will be memorialized 5/11 10:22:37.750 [Guild] Irma: WOW lore! 5/11 10:22:38.644 Ybika cheers at Liebenwalde! 5/11 10:22:39.659 [Guild] Wraithen: Q10: At the very least they will be in history for being the first in the areas of VW's 5/11 10:22:42.686 [Guild] Catullus: How do you preserve them, so they can be experienced over the years? 5/11 10:22:44.118 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Nose, provocative point. 5/11 10:22:45.095 [Guild] Liebenwalde: and the Virtual World videos collection at the Internet Archive 5/11 10:22:46.979 Tannim dances with Profsmith. 5/11 10:22:52.123 [Guild] Zedediah: By design, avatars in WoW have virtually no impact on WoW history 5/11 10:22:53.134 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q10: what starts out as nostalgia can quickly become aesthetic archaeology 5/11 10:22:57.493 [Guild] Shugar: as for Q9, the issue there is what constitutes "play" and will the authorities recognize it as such, or will you get sent to Gitmo for "playing" 5/11 10:22:57.902 [Guild] Nosedinosaur: Q10 Yeah, we're already seeing games with history. Ther eare sequels like AC2 and EQ2 that play off what happened inthe metaplot of the first game. 5/11 10:22:59.373 Jalena dances with Tannim. 5/11 10:23:00.778 [Guild] Ophelie: Q10: Like any wide-spread popular culture, I assume references to WoW will crop up in the media, etc., of the future. 5/11 10:23:03.720 Lack seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:23:05.405 [Guild] Ealphaba: similar to the history of tV, only relevant to those who watched it 5/11 10:23:13.863 Saunter thanks Trickshot. 5/11 10:23:14.714 [Guild] Catullus: You can play Spacewar, Asteroids, etc. just as you could years ago, but you cannot enter Sims Online! 5/11 10:23:16.664 Warahip dances with Jalena. 5/11 10:23:17.056 [Guild] Liebenwalde: if people are interested in this, we welcome participation in our efforts to preserve the history -- lowood@stanford.edu 5/11 10:23:18.726 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q10: ... preserving game play? For history? This is a hot question in theatre history 5/11 10:23:22.413 Saunter seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:23:25.223 Apophenius dances with Zscheme. 5/11 10:23:27.653 [Guild] Perplextar: who remembers playing Rogue on an alphanumeric screen? 5/11 10:23:28.640 [Guild] Kandilgre: Leroy Jenkins was a Jeopardy question 5/11 10:23:31.864 Tannim dances with Jalena. 5/11 10:23:40.705 [Guild] Peitewhisky: what will last is our transformed minds, or personalities, more generally 5/11 10:23:40.995 Khatchi has come online. 5/11 10:23:42.955 [Guild] Profsmith: wow of course has pop cult references (too many to list) 5/11 10:23:43.174 [Guild] Charolais: Instead of boxes of old photos, are our grandchildren only going to have crashed hard drives to look at? 5/11 10:23:47.772 [Guild] Apophenius: yeah leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy! 5/11 10:24:07.252 Locklor seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:24:07.889 [Guild] Annelida: nah, they will have dvd's too ;) 5/11 10:24:08.256 [Guild] Profsmith: grandchildren are goig to have flickr sites to flip through 5/11 10:24:09.794 [Guild] Perplextar: total lifelogging 5/11 10:24:10.571 [Guild] Liebenwalde: we are trying to preserve events, artifacts, etc. If you believe these worlds are important, how will people know about them in the future? 5/11 10:24:14.209 [Guild] Boscotore: Of course not, silly. You can't see anything on a crashed HD. 5/11 10:24:20.150 [Guild] Mynameisman: Lieben: fascinating. But *what* is being preserved? As socio-cultural spaces that are constantly in flux, I can't help but wonder if preserving virtual worlds is akin to preserving social groups... 5/11 10:24:21.443 [Guild] Catullus: Do mwe need a project to create emulators for classic virtual worlds? Computer systems taht will run them on tomorrow's machines and operating systems? 5/11 10:24:22.654 [Guild] Apophenius: the 10000 year clock uses simple parts - no quartz drive 5/11 10:24:24.993 Locklor dances with Trickshot. 5/11 10:24:25.002 [Guild] Uljasa: i see lots of my lambda moo days on WoW 5/11 10:24:25.189 [Guild] Why: Q10: The sense of history that VWs have right now are an intensified sense of history from RL, it is hyper-nostalgia (new word?!) 5/11 10:24:25.442 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q10: just think of the massive impact that anecdotal recollection - and all the memory revision that accompanies it - will have when we imagine millions of players remembering what happened when they played the game 5/11 10:24:25.675 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): It would actually be more effective to take the archival private server approach 5/11 10:24:41.515 You are now AFK: Away from Keyboard 5/11 10:24:43.672 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): or efficient.. rather 5/11 10:24:44.518 You are no longer AFK. 5/11 10:24:59.163 [Guild] Trickshot: /tell 5/11 10:25:00.688 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q10: or the problem of constructing histories of, say, wars - events so large in scope, and so chaotic in experience, that historicizing them becomes intensely problematic 5/11 10:25:02.710 [Guild] Profsmith: remember we don't want to remember TOO much, forgetting is part of life, too 5/11 10:25:04.213 Blindedbi seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:25:05.675 [Guild] Zscheme: just market wow lunchboxes, bury one in a time capsule 5/11 10:25:06.599 [Guild] Annelida: there are already emulators for previous incarnations of games...you can get a Nintendo emuluator and play all kinds of very old games on your computer...among others 5/11 10:25:07.523 [Guild] Mynameisman: That is, the WoW of this conference, as a VW, is as much a part of the gathering of these players as it is the software architecture... 5/11 10:25:10.840 [Guild] Pipetter: Q10. I'm not sure preservation is vital. I think that 'enthusiasts' will have their private servers, but things like Everquest and even WoW, will eventually become footnote fodder. 5/11 10:25:14.360 [Guild] Uljasa: history is an affordance -- a set of generative dispositions that will articulate into the future in specific and recognizable ways (language, aesthetics, cultural practices ...) 5/11 10:25:21.782 With arms flapping, Tannim struts around Jalena. Cluck, Cluck, Chicken! 5/11 10:25:22.330 [Guild] Adarel: wow will be preserdved through future games which use WOW as an outline of game development 5/11 10:25:28.530 [Guild] Kowski: Probably not to preserve everything, but parts that we wanted to remembers. Guilds are already preserving the most memorable raids. 5/11 10:25:28.762 Kyrsson has come online. 5/11 10:25:30.151 [Guild] Gonzorina: Q10: I wonder when we will have coverage of online games as we do for RW sports, i.e via television... 5/11 10:25:30.747 Khatchi seems a little tipsy from the Volatile Rum. 5/11 10:25:35.240 [Guild] Thoguht: preserving VWs would necessitate preserving the chat, outside forums, etc. of particular groups of players, no? 5/11 10:25:37.704 [Guild] Akigain: @adare;: agreed 5/11 10:25:38.214 [Guild] Charolais: all magnetic and optical media degrades over time. we are losing massive amounts of data on a daily basis now; do we need archival guidelines as a culture? 5/11 10:25:42.243 Tannim dances with Jalena. 5/11 10:25:48.650 [Guild] Ealphaba: will future generations be as interested in history when they are overwhelmed by the sheer amount of recordings we are all making now? 5/11 10:25:49.476 [Guild] Profsmith: koreans have tv channels for game play 5/11 10:25:58.014 [Guild] Nemorensis: right we don't prserve every RL moment 5/11 10:26:01.530 [Guild] Shugar: (adarel) why? name one thing that WoW has brought to virtual worlds tht is novel or innovative? 5/11 10:26:03.863 [Guild] Annelida: DirecTV has a game channel now 5/11 10:26:04.642 Lack seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:26:07.661 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: @gonzo: we already do, some channels are all about E-sports now 5/11 10:26:10.971 [Guild] Trickshot: Plenty of spirits for everyone, and I bought seconds too, don't be shy... Serving free Jug of Bourbon and Junglevine Wine :) What's a conference without booooooze? 5/11 10:26:12.283 [Guild] Forme: @Gonzorina: we already have for things like Unreal Tournaments etc 5/11 10:26:12.702 [Guild] Catullus: The first "computer game" I ever owned was Geniac in 1956! It could play tic-tac-toe or get the missionaries and cannibals across the river without eating each other, but you had to wire it fresh for each game. 5/11 10:26:12.906 [Guild] Profsmith: live a little save a little watch a little... 5/11 10:26:13.679 [Guild] Wraithen: Gonzorina, see Korea and China where I believe WOW arena tounarments are being done just before the Olympic games 5/11 10:26:14.324 Warahip flirts with Maggiemae. 5/11 10:26:15.300 [Guild] Hypothesis: Q10: Adarel - yes, WoW's influence (as one example) will probably be felt in the gaming patterns that it spawns - for designers, producers, participants, and non-participating spectators 5/11 10:26:18.308 [Guild] Why: hypo: but doesn't that problem of the general / particular becomes easier when the particular in VW is very thin? 5/11 10:26:18.549 [Guild] Mobus: Koreans watch Starcraft matchs on tv 5/11 10:26:19.927 Jalena dances with Tannim. 5/11 10:26:22.765 Saunter seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:26:24.282 Tannim dances with Warahip. 5/11 10:26:26.869 [Guild] Irma: simply, only things that future gens find relevant will be remembered 5/11 10:26:28.789 [Guild] Mobus: as a sport 5/11 10:26:33.819 Scienceagain whispers: there are espn esque channels like that in korea for gaming 5/11 10:26:34.651 Tannim dances with Jalena. 5/11 10:26:36.534 [Guild] Kvinesdal: It is the dynamism that really matters. Is the static content really that valuable? Probably not up to the quality of your average sitcom to sit an rewatch a 30-min WoW campaign. 5/11 10:26:38.434 [Guild] Trickshot: LOL I"m in the corner... i'm the skeleton 5/11 10:26:50.132 [Guild] Catullus: NOW ask whatever questions you want!!! 5/11 10:26:51.197 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: if you look hard enough you will find E-Sports channels with all sorts of games shown 5/11 10:26:51.614 Jalena dances with Warahip. 5/11 10:26:53.754 [Guild] Catullus: NOW ask whatever questions you want!!! 5/11 10:26:59.862 [Guild] Adarel: @shugar im not saying wow is unique wow itself is a piece of history from previous games 5/11 10:27:00.958 Warahip flirts with Jalena. 5/11 10:27:04.594 [Guild] Hypothesis: Why - well, take for example the battlegrounds - how do we recall what happens in a battleground? There are literally dozens of radically different accounts of the events 5/11 10:27:08.940 Locklor seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:27:13.428 [Guild] Jusdafacs: Isn't WoW's contribution that it has made the MMOG a lot easier for newbies? 5/11 10:27:13.437 [Guild] Profsmith: why bother doing this? couldn't we have done this easier in a chat room? 5/11 10:27:15.779 Forme seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:27:24.934 [Guild] Zscheme: I want to know what motivated new WOW players to join this guild for this conference? Was it just that it was a novetly? 5/11 10:27:26.231 Nokota bursts into dance. 5/11 10:27:33.462 [Guild] Shugar: (profsmith) nods 5/11 10:27:34.642 [Guild] Serne: Profsmith - I guess to experimnet with the technology 5/11 10:27:37.683 Kyrsson has gone offline. 5/11 10:27:40.189 [Guild] Irma: no conga lines in chat rooms 5/11 10:27:43.905 Svobodu's pet begins eating a Haunch of Meat. 5/11 10:27:47.356 [Guild] Akigain: lol 5/11 10:27:48.130 [Guild] Profsmith: but other than that? what does WOW add? 5/11 10:27:49.766 [Guild] Kandilgre: no pirates either 5/11 10:27:50.776 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): @Adarel not just game mechanics eiher, cultural refrences and "inside" jokes for those who knew WoW will probably exist for quite some time 5/11 10:27:52.189 [Guild] Boscotore: The addition of an avatar kind of shakes things up. 5/11 10:27:54.380 [Guild] Nemorensis: @profsmith -- don't you think an avatar mediated convo is different? 5/11 10:27:56.374 [Guild] Why: Hypo: But people remember events from a more distanced perspective, because their level of interaction can only be so deep. So memory becomes easier to construct in the general. 5/11 10:27:56.714 Trickshot seems a little tipsy from the Cherry Grog. 5/11 10:27:56.725 [Guild] Extropia: Zscheme - as a VW event runner, I wanted to see what an event in another world looked like 5/11 10:27:58.020 [Guild] Jusdafacs: The impression of being there? 5/11 10:27:58.611 [Guild] Charolais: Castronova would have us believe that WoW is the critical mass for an exodus to the VW 5/11 10:28:01.204 [Guild] Perplextar: question: is it technically posisble to have PPT and incoming streaming video like we do in secondlife? 5/11 10:28:05.249 Blindedbi seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:28:05.634 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): In future VWs 5/11 10:28:12.199 [Guild] Profsmith: if i organized a conference that was so tricky to get to, it would be a bad thing... 5/11 10:28:13.697 [Guild] Rhiannonn: for myself I have a background in developing for virtual world spaces and interests in concepts such as virtual historic preservation and online communities specially in VW spaces 5/11 10:28:14.296 Svobodu's pet begins eating a Haunch of Meat. 5/11 10:28:19.052 [Guild] Nemorensis: wait for Croquet -- you will have all that 5/11 10:28:21.539 [Guild] Togda: to profsmith: it feels diff from chat 5/11 10:28:22.541 [Guild] Garaka: you can't quest together between sessions in a chat room 5/11 10:28:27.275 [Guild] Garaka: we're bonding 5/11 10:28:29.137 [Guild] Annelida: i think that we feel much more like we are actually "hanging out" with each other in a setting like wow where we can see each others avatars than in a chat room... 5/11 10:28:31.403 Khatchi seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:28:34.188 [Guild] Akigain: i think people like the phenomenological aspects to the game. I have an informant who plays just to chat with friends that she has. She barely does the q's 5/11 10:28:40.251 [Guild] Extropia: Prof, is this any harder than drivin/flying/using a road map? Really? 5/11 10:28:40.759 [Guild] Profsmith: bonding, feel, i like those as reasons.... more? 5/11 10:28:45.100 Forme is getting drunk off of Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:28:45.487 Kandilgre seems a little tipsy from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:28:47.305 Svobodu seems a little tipsy from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:28:48.818 [Guild] Nemorensis: we are also visual beings -- to different degrees of course 5/11 10:28:49.505 [Guild] Akigain: she described it as her "visual chat room" 5/11 10:28:51.097 [Guild] Gonzorina: @Profsmith: Having a conference about research in WoW *in* WoW just makes sense, no? 5/11 10:28:53.328 [Guild] Hypothesis: well the story becomes quite different - there is a greater propensity it seems to me for narrative here than in a chat room 5/11 10:28:56.720 Biology has come online. 5/11 10:28:58.105 [Guild] Hypothesis: SHARED narrative 5/11 10:28:58.550 Blindedbi seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:28:59.352 [Guild] Ealphaba: profsmith - in this case the journey was to engage and familiarize the participants 5/11 10:29:00.975 [Guild] Profsmith: it was harder for me, but of course that's someting you can get over 5/11 10:29:02.258 [Guild] Niali: I hang out with friends and family online, it definitely feels more like doing something than a phone call or im 5/11 10:29:04.199 Forme looks tipsy. 5/11 10:29:04.199 Forme is getting drunk off of Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:29:11.032 Khatchi seems a little tipsy from the Volatile Rum. 5/11 10:29:16.723 [Guild] Kowski: ...look at the dancing in the background, I think people are experimenting with new ways of socializing. 5/11 10:29:17.365 [Guild] Uljasa: Jim Gee and others describe the "projective stance" -- avatar based chat and interaction in goal-directed gaming activity is quite different from the earlier language-based MOO environments (for example) 5/11 10:29:19.395 [Guild] Profsmith: all good reasons - I am (almost) convinced 5/11 10:29:20.035 Zomboni agrees. 5/11 10:29:20.494 [Guild] Nemorensis: i feel more invested in this than a chat conf 5/11 10:29:22.082 [Guild] Zscheme: Question: Will we make this an annual conference? 5/11 10:29:23.008 [Guild] Akigain: @niali: I completely agree 5/11 10:29:26.239 [Guild] Hypothesis: why: yes - I think you're right - but there is also as much room for memory revision as well 5/11 10:29:27.916 [Guild] Catullus: The reason I prefer doing it in WoW is because I, Catullus, don't exist anywhere else! This is my reality; you may keep yours. 5/11 10:29:35.575 Svobodu is getting drunk off of Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:29:36.478 Boscotore seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:29:36.893 Hypothesis cheers at Catullus! 5/11 10:29:38.266 Why bursts into dance. 5/11 10:29:38.503 [Guild] Ophelie: @prof: The field trips provided something that you can't get in a chat room. Visits to the memorial, today's wedding... 5/11 10:29:39.003 Forme is completely smashed from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:29:39.867 [Guild] Extropia: *adores Catullus* 5/11 10:29:41.621 [Guild] Irma: I started playing wow to spend more time with far away family 5/11 10:29:43.722 Profsmith cheers at Catullus! 5/11 10:29:49.275 [Guild] Adarel: Question: Any recommendations for dealing with and IRB demanding informed consent from every player? 5/11 10:29:51.771 [Guild] Ealphaba: /cheer @ catuluus 5/11 10:29:54.572 Saureus applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:29:56.200 [Guild] Annelida: i think that for people who want to write things about WoW and other virtual worlds that spending time in them really is not an option...and for some this was thier first experience here? 5/11 10:29:57.070 [Guild] Rhiannonn: Yes you get visual cues and sense of place and sharing that with others - a more connected online experience than a traditional online experience 5/11 10:29:57.493 [Guild] Niali: @irma exactly 5/11 10:29:57.493 [Guild] Apophenius: everytunbg except the trip down to the bar 5/11 10:29:57.669 Zomboni claps excitedly for Catullus. 5/11 10:30:00.826 Futureworlds says: WHat about audio ? 5/11 10:30:03.168 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: phone call, missed the last 10 min :D 5/11 10:30:07.625 [Guild] Nemorensis: i want to think Catullus for doing this. 5/11 10:30:10.257 [Guild] Kvinesdal: @ Oph, and far more memorable than most conference receptions. 5/11 10:30:12.088 [Guild] Why: In prof's defense, this session I spent all my time staring at the text, I couldn't watch the world around me 5/11 10:30:12.457 Vythien cheers at Catullus! 5/11 10:30:13.698 Nemorensis applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:30:15.078 [Guild] Perplextar: and video 5/11 10:30:16.692 [Guild] Shugar: (uljasa) but the avatars are functionally irrelevant: they end up being an annoyance in the background, when one is trying toread a mass of text 5/11 10:30:18.490 [Guild] Akigain: @adarel: I went for exempt status for IRB and got it, try for that 5/11 10:30:21.731 [Guild] Profsmith: don't tell the IRB there are people involved. it is just a computer game... 5/11 10:30:22.525 [Guild] Hypothesis: and the rest of the organizers as well - many many thanks for putting this together 5/11 10:30:22.862 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: mostly on preserving VWs and what that means 5/11 10:30:25.126 [Guild] Rhiannonn: Are there plans for future events? 5/11 10:30:27.961 Maggiemae cheers at Catullus! 5/11 10:30:36.205 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: k ty 5/11 10:30:37.941 Jalena giggles at Profsmith. 5/11 10:30:38.326 [4. terrornova] Kowski: haha... something u can do in VW meetings 5/11 10:30:38.742 [Guild] Irma: no rubber chicken dinners here :) 5/11 10:30:41.635 [Guild] Adarel: @aki thanks for the rec i will try that 5/11 10:30:42.433 Apophenius salutes Catullus with respect. 5/11 10:30:43.640 Madrededios tells a joke to Ofielia. 5/11 10:30:44.250 [Guild] Profsmith: in canada this would be "low risk" research and an exception would be likely 5/11 10:30:48.291 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: and then why hold a conf here instead of a chat room 5/11 10:30:49.673 [Guild] Akigain: NP :) 5/11 10:30:50.272 [Guild] Maggiemae: many thanks to Catullus for an excellent conference!!! 5/11 10:30:53.012 [Guild] Kvinesdal: re: IRB, best is to go serve on the committee. Painful, but productive. 5/11 10:30:57.745 Nokota applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:30:57.756 [Guild] Pipetter: A future idea could capitalize on a ventilo server, or if Blizz opens up in game Voice to cover guildwide discussion 5/11 10:30:57.946 [Guild] Zscheme: I really think making this an annual event might ensure this guild survives 5/11 10:30:58.143 Trickshot seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:30:58.143 Nemorensis applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:31:00.165 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: well i have the log, sounds interesting 5/11 10:31:00.857 [Guild] Akigain: agreed! 5/11 10:31:03.644 Warahip tells a joke to Wolf. 5/11 10:31:03.974 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): Thats why its hard to raid without voice chat 5/11 10:31:04.576 Saureus cheers! 5/11 10:31:04.988 Zedediah cheers at Idnan! 5/11 10:31:08.002 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: annual event would be nice 5/11 10:31:09.391 [Guild] Retief: @prof smith: meetings held in New Orleans or New York are better attended than those that meet in Des Moines Q.E.D. 5/11 10:31:09.625 Maggiemae claps excitedly. 5/11 10:31:11.214 Zedediah cheers! 5/11 10:31:11.806 [Guild] Garaka: yes, thank you all organizers! 5/11 10:31:12.536 Saureus applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:31:14.811 Garaka cheers! 5/11 10:31:15.728 [Guild] Ophelie: @Why: But this session is just the talky bits. We haven't had the post-session field trip yet, which is what's really different. When did you last go to a meatspace conference and look at the tourist attractions? 5/11 10:31:16.760 Nokota cheers! 5/11 10:31:18.166 Nemorensis bows down graciously. 5/11 10:31:19.167 Zomboni cheers! 5/11 10:31:19.772 [Guild] Zscheme: thank you to all that made this happen 5/11 10:31:20.393 [Guild] Trickshot: FREE DRINKS FOR ALL! 5/11 10:31:20.679 Noanok applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:31:21.476 [Guild] Extropia: Annual is an eternity in VWs - go for semiannual or quarterly if possible 5/11 10:31:21.669 [Guild] Profsmith: thanks retief 5/11 10:31:23.297 Apophenius applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:31:25.791 [Guild] Uljasa: yes, absolutely -- an annual Science gathering -- great idea! 5/11 10:31:27.310 [Guild] Annelida: i think that the more you play this the better able you are to focus on things like chat and the backdrop becomes more normal, like sitting in your office or something 5/11 10:31:29.105 [Guild] Rissy: thank you all! very good. 5/11 10:31:30.357 [Guild] Jalena: If you can show that it is not easy to find out the person's real life information, they will even in some instances allow using real character names, with participants permission - that was my experience 5/11 10:31:31.646 [Guild] Charolais: if Blizz opens up voice then barrens chat==xbox live 5/11 10:31:32.934 [Guild] Trickshot: OPEN A TRADE WINDOW! GET YOUR DRUNK ON! 5/11 10:31:34.962 Forme looks drunk. 5/11 10:31:39.161 [Guild] Bloodhumour: thanks all 5/11 10:31:44.529 [Guild] Why: There are ways to limit who speaks in something like a Ventrilo server, where only panelists speak 5/11 10:31:44.688 [Guild] Niali: quick note - it's mother's day and my mom's favorite activity is a good instance run 5/11 10:31:46.240 [Guild] Nemorensis: what do people think about unstructured chat for the conf? 5/11 10:31:51.731 [Guild] Ybika: just a reminder to check out aoir.org and digra.org. both organizations with researchers who have been working on internet and game studies for awhile now. there is lots of good research already out there to tap into! :) 5/11 10:31:53.970 [Guild] Uljasa: BTW -- HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY (to all to whom this applies!!) 5/11 10:31:55.357 [Guild] Rissy: Gonzo, *mnaybe* I got the whole session this time :P 5/11 10:31:56.980 [Guild] Yasura: Blizz already has voice chat in game. It's seldom used :D 5/11 10:31:57.793 Tannim laughs at Jalena. 5/11 10:31:59.601 [Guild] Nemorensis: maybe just me, but i have a hard time keeping up 5/11 10:31:59.872 Svobodu has gone offline. 5/11 10:32:00.275 Blindedbi seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:32:00.994 [Guild] Boscotore: It wasn't as cluttered as I thought it would be. 5/11 10:32:01.392 [Guild] Profsmith: happy mothers' day, you mothers! 5/11 10:32:02.221 [Guild] Akigain: this was great everyone! Very thought provoking! 5/11 10:32:04.203 [Guild] Catullus: In a moment we will conclude, and have a wedding 5/11 10:32:05.403 [Guild] Retief: my mom is not all that thrilled with instance runs 5/11 10:32:07.419 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): It was intense 5/11 10:32:07.630 Forme is completely smashed from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:32:08.448 [Guild] Rissy: Thank you! /mother here 5/11 10:32:09.031 [Guild] Garaka: I could not follow it AT ALL 5/11 10:32:10.251 [Guild] Kandilgre: my guild uses in game for raids 5/11 10:32:10.466 [Guild] Hypothesis: Nemo - I think it's pleasant in small doses - it's nice to have variety 5/11 10:32:12.466 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: unstructered is nice, but u gotta read fast 5/11 10:32:13.975 [Guild] Slizelina: awesome job organizers!! wonderful event!! 5/11 10:32:14.980 [Guild] Perplextar: besides yearly events we should have weekly informal gatherings like many groups do in SL 5/11 10:32:17.869 [Guild] Kowski: It looks really good. 5/11 10:32:18.113 [Guild] Jalena: Thanks Ybika :) 5/11 10:32:19.698 [Guild] Forme: HIC! 5/11 10:32:20.696 [Guild] Nemorensis: me too, but i need a nap 5/11 10:32:20.701 [Guild] Garaka: but I'm logging it, so I'll catch up 5/11 10:32:21.305 Peitewhisky seems a little tipsy from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:32:21.308 [Guild] Extropia: dead easy to follow, but I do this all the time 5/11 10:32:23.870 Madrededios cheers! 5/11 10:32:23.872 Idnan claps excitedly. 5/11 10:32:24.545 [Guild] Catullus: ANNOUNCEMENTS!! 5/11 10:32:26.536 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: ya, we need to make an SL group :D 5/11 10:32:26.763 [Guild] Catullus: Let us thank our panel! I believe: Kvinesdal, Liebenwalde, and Nemorensis - right? Please panelists remind us of your real world identities. 5/11 10:32:26.946 [Guild] Maggiemae: thank you/mother here too 5/11 10:32:27.710 You have requested to trade with Trickshot. 5/11 10:32:27.759 [Guild] Hypothesis: maybe fewer questions for this style format 5/11 10:32:29.447 [Guild] Catullus: Let us thank our panel! I believe: Kvinesdal, Liebenwalde, and Nemorensis - right? Please panelists remind us of your real world identities. 5/11 10:32:30.576 [Guild] Annelida: I highly suggest a mod called Elephant for chat logging ;) 5/11 10:32:31.350 [Guild] Apophenius: will have to read the chatlog later to get everything 5/11 10:32:31.774 [Guild] Niali: Thanks everyone! 5/11 10:32:32.232 [Guild] Uljasa: i'm a father -- and love mother's day! 5/11 10:32:32.879 [Guild] Irma: worked well, figured it would 5/11 10:32:33.063 [Guild] Gontrus: If it becomes an annual conference, could this include other than social science (physics, math ,etc) 5/11 10:32:34.080 Stronglykbul cheers! 5/11 10:32:35.796 You receive item: Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:32:37.003 Saunter cheers! 5/11 10:32:37.468 [Guild] Extropia: Agree with Perplextar -I'd be happy to organize a monthly guild evnet 5/11 10:32:37.924 Zomboni claps excitedly. 5/11 10:32:38.112 [Guild] Akigain: i hope now we can get together to q sometime :) 5/11 10:32:38.802 You thank Trickshot. 5/11 10:32:39.036 [Guild] Yasura: thanks for the great conference :) 5/11 10:32:39.805 Profsmith cheers! 5/11 10:32:40.031 Bytola cheers! 5/11 10:32:41.232 [Guild] Maggiemae: yes, thanks panelists!!! 5/11 10:32:41.406 Tannim says: help 5/11 10:32:43.443 Profsmith claps excitedly. 5/11 10:32:45.432 [Guild] Why: unstructured was fun. Thank you everyone for giving a wow player a unique experience! 5/11 10:32:47.077 You feel a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:32:48.945 Nokota claps excitedly. 5/11 10:32:49.964 [Guild] Rissy: LOL Extropia 5/11 10:32:50.671 Retief claps excitedly for Why. 5/11 10:32:50.863 [Guild] Nemorensis: this was a really great thing 5/11 10:32:52.298 [Guild] Scienceagain: everyone add your info to the wikki 5/11 10:32:55.814 [Guild] Pipetter: Thank-you Catallus! Thank-you panel! I look forward to something like this again. 5/11 10:32:55.814 [Guild] Catullus: PANELIST IDENTIFYT 5/11 10:32:57.102 [Guild] Trickshot: Plenty more for seconds and thirds and forths! Get your drunk on! 5/11 10:33:00.323 Extropia seems a little tipsy from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:33:02.553 [Guild] Grimflower: unstructured was fun but exhausting! 5/11 10:33:04.765 [Guild] Liebenwalde: I was a panelist 5/11 10:33:05.635 [Guild] Forme: GUILDIES, Please come back online after the confenrence eventually. :) 5/11 10:33:06.624 [Guild] Niali: yeah, I plan to keep this toon for future questing 5/11 10:33:08.054 [Guild] Liebenwalde: sort of 5/11 10:33:09.299 [Guild] Ophelie: Thank you everyone! 5/11 10:33:09.628 [Guild] Catullus: THAT CONCLUDES our final formal session. In a moment we will hold a wedding, followed by a BIO break followed by a glorious or tragic assault. First, an announcement about the guild! 5/11 10:33:09.984 [Guild] Rissy: I'd like many of you to come do panels for me in SL, will be in touch or email me at ksmith@world2worlds.com 5/11 10:33:11.176 [Guild] Maggiemae: both formats were good -- good mix 5/11 10:33:12.988 [Guild] Profsmith: i liked the unstructured the best 5/11 10:33:12.988 [Guild] Ealphaba: thanks panelists 5/11 10:33:12.995 [Guild] Vertheamp: thanks panelists 5/11 10:33:12.995 Grimflower cheers! 5/11 10:33:13.100 [Guild] Bevicenth: thanks panelists 5/11 10:33:13.256 [Guild] Teriely: thanks panelists 5/11 10:33:13.834 [Guild] Shugar: thanks for running, take care 5/11 10:33:15.542 [Guild] Catullus: THAT CONCLUDES our final formal session. In a moment we will hold a wedding, followed by a BIO break followed by a glorious or tragic assault. First, an announcement about the guild! 5/11 10:33:20.650 [Guild] Apophenius: thanks! 5/11 10:33:20.873 [Guild] Catullus: The Science guild will continue after this conference as a point of communication about WoW and other virtual worlds, and a fun questing group. If you want to play an active role, send your thoughts about Science via gmail to Bill. 5/11 10:33:21.850 Jalena cheers at Dwyscience! 5/11 10:33:23.250 Crowhorn waves. 5/11 10:33:24.140 [Guild] Zomboni: (Thelial): I'll hop on around GLS time for sure 5/11 10:33:25.657 Profsmith thanks everyone. 5/11 10:33:26.095 [Guild] Catullus: The Science guild will continue after this conference as a point of communication about WoW and other virtual worlds, and a fun questing group. If you want to play an active role, send your thoughts about Science via gmail to Bill. 5/11 10:33:28.909 [Guild] Rhiannonn: Ongoing guild events would be great... and even a guild wiki we can all discuss events like this and other VW related things :) 5/11 10:33:38.954 [Guild] Yasura: yay! 5/11 10:33:40.777 [Guild] Gizsela: this was very interesting, maybe we could use the raid grouping to have smaller discussion groups 5/11 10:33:43.703 Akigain has gone offline. 5/11 10:33:46.992 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: where are we going now? 5/11 10:33:47.808 Crowhorn seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:33:48.394 [Guild] Kvinesdal: Thanks all! 5/11 10:33:51.008 Boscotore's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:33:51.449 Lack yells: FOR SCIENCE! 5/11 10:33:54.526 [Guild] Trickshot: Free doubles and triples for the panalists :) 5/11 10:33:54.752 Forme dances with Nokota. 5/11 10:33:55.150 Niali yells: For Science! 5/11 10:33:56.155 [Guild] Extropia: Rhiannon, I'm onboard for organizing anything 5/11 10:33:59.558 [Guild] Kandilgre: we going after westfall? 5/11 10:34:00.164 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: Not sure 5/11 10:34:02.319 Blindedbi yells: For Science! 5/11 10:34:05.036 Yasura yells: FOR SCIENCE! 5/11 10:34:05.805 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: Not sure.. something about a raid? 5/11 10:34:08.607 Apophenius bursts into dance. 5/11 10:34:10.021 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: i could do a portal lbut don't know where 5/11 10:34:10.235 [Guild] Ealphaba: there's a wedding! 5/11 10:34:10.448 [Guild] Ophelie: For the wedding, I have Handful of Rose Petals and Handful of Snowflakes available to throw at the happy couple. 5/11 10:34:10.666 Boscotore yells: SCIENCE! 5/11 10:34:10.833 [Guild] Catullus: Will people mover away from this wall, so the wedding couple can come forward! 5/11 10:34:12.451 Garaka yells: FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5/11 10:34:12.663 Charolais yells: For Science! 5/11 10:34:15.025 Optimoose waves at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:34:15.465 [Guild] Perplextar: I am also onboard for organization 5/11 10:34:16.262 [4. terrornova] Kowski: undisclosure raid site. westfall? 5/11 10:34:17.490 Zomboni yells: For Science! 5/11 10:34:17.867 Alwayofmisha yells: FOR SCIENCE!!!!! FOR THE HORDE!!!! 5/11 10:34:18.514 Serne has gone offline. 5/11 10:34:20.289 Optimoose says: my love! 5/11 10:34:22.132 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: Though my wife wants me to go to farmers market. :P 5/11 10:34:25.732 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: hmm ok 5/11 10:34:28.724 [Guild] Slizelina: i have captured ALOT of machinima, if anyone is interested in it let me know 5/11 10:34:30.753 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: there's a wedding here first, I think 5/11 10:34:31.763 [Guild] Catullus: MAKE SPACE FOR THE COUPLE 5/11 10:34:36.808 [Guild] Hypothesis: are you ordained, catullus? ) 5/11 10:34:38.227 Zedediah yells: For Science!!!! Nature SuX!!! 5/11 10:34:40.747 [Guild] Saunter: I'm up for continuation 5/11 10:34:40.747 [Guild] Forme: who;s wedding? 5/11 10:34:41.405 [Guild] Ophelie: If anyone wants Handful of Rose Petals or Handful of Snowflakes, please open a trade window and I will give them some. 5/11 10:34:41.597 Ronaan's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:34:41.750 Optimoose kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:34:45.667 [Guild] Paluka: thanks all :) 5/11 10:34:45.764 Maggiemae thanks Trickshot. 5/11 10:34:49.290 [Guild] Niali: if people blog or post pics, maybe a standard tag would be helpful 5/11 10:34:49.689 [Guild] Extropia: Perp, Rhiannon - we'll coordinate soon 5/11 10:34:53.188 [Guild] Rissy: Slizelina Gonzorina needs it :) 5/11 10:34:54.009 Optimoose holds out a singe red rose 5/11 10:34:54.820 Lindrius has gone offline. 5/11 10:34:55.641 With arms flapping, Nemorensis struts around. Cluck, Cluck, Chicken! 5/11 10:34:55.897 Kandilgre seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:34:56.804 [Guild] Extropia: Niall, very goo! 5/11 10:34:58.302 Forme looks drunk. 5/11 10:34:58.717 Trickshot waves at Maggiemae. 5/11 10:35:00.667 Zenoelea has come online. 5/11 10:35:02.232 [Guild] Niali: CRVC08? 5/11 10:35:03.187 Maggiemae seems a little tipsy from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:35:04.835 Togda seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:35:08.854 [Guild] Slizelina: k, great 5/11 10:35:10.087 [Guild] Rhiannonn: Will links to photos/machinima be posted on the wikiw .. and yes.. a tag 5/11 10:35:10.708 Paluka has gone offline. 5/11 10:35:12.420 Bloodhumour waves at Scienceagain. 5/11 10:35:12.781 Bartlescriv waves at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:35:13.418 Khatchi seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:35:13.936 [Guild] Catullus: Get off the wall, except for wedding couple 5/11 10:35:15.343 With arms flapping, Forme struts around Kowski. Cluck, Cluck, Chicken! 5/11 10:35:16.299 Garaka thanks Ophelie. 5/11 10:35:17.472 Trickshot seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:35:17.637 [Guild] Extropia: CRVC08 it is - I'll blog and flickr 5/11 10:35:21.465 Peitewhisky seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:35:21.873 [Guild] Liebenwalde: videos will be on virtual world videos collection 5/11 10:35:22.341 [Guild] Niali: me too! 5/11 10:35:23.562 [Guild] Slizelina: ill tag WoW conference 5/11 10:35:25.362 Arillea has come online. 5/11 10:35:25.995 Abeya thanks Ophelie. 5/11 10:35:26.572 Irma's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:35:26.990 [Guild] Liebenwalde: at least the captures from me 5/11 10:35:27.803 Kandilgre shoos Bartlescriv away. Be gone pest! 5/11 10:35:28.382 [Guild] Jalena: I also took some machinima and screenshots over the conference - will let Gonzorina know 5/11 10:35:28.382 Cplane waves at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:35:35.077 [Guild] Slizelina: put it in youtube and blogs 5/11 10:35:35.473 [Guild] Perplextar: who has logget the chat and where can we read it? 5/11 10:35:39.064 Kandilgre shoos Ybika away. Be gone pest! 5/11 10:35:47.411 Boscotore seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:35:47.411 You feel sober again. 5/11 10:35:51.819 Khatchi fidgets. 5/11 10:35:53.930 Cplane waves at Catullus. 5/11 10:35:55.361 [Guild] Catullus: Gonzorina and Optimoose, plase join me here 5/11 10:35:55.566 [Guild] Ophelie: I'm on the wall, below the happy couple. 5/11 10:35:57.345 Gonzorina blushes at Grimflower. 5/11 10:36:01.592 Extropia seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:36:03.603 [Guild] Boscotore: I also have a bunch of video. I'm not a video editor myself bug I will do anythign I can to distribute it to people who are. 5/11 10:36:05.462 [Guild] Why: will some sort of edited version of the chat be available somewhere? 5/11 10:36:10.535 [Guild] Rhiannonn: me too.. grabbed some machinima shots and photos 5/11 10:36:15.270 [Guild] Trickshot: I'm the little guy with the owls. PLenty of free booze left! Come trade me! 5/11 10:36:15.654 [Guild] Liebenwalde: n 5/11 10:36:17.878 Khatchi gently pats Dark Whelpling. 5/11 10:36:18.071 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: whats the wiki site? 5/11 10:36:23.321 Jusdafacs says: thank you 5/11 10:36:24.910 Ybika whispers: gonna scoot but good chatting. take care! 5/11 10:36:29.476 To Ybika: bye! 5/11 10:36:33.075 [Guild] Profsmith: i have a complete "film" of the event using screenflow 5/11 10:36:41.220 Garaka seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:36:46.077 Jusdafacs waves at Kowski. 5/11 10:36:48.457 Crowhorn seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:36:49.089 [Guild] Cymbiotic: can you add an icon on the couple? 5/11 10:36:50.681 Zenoelea waves at Madrededios. 5/11 10:36:54.170 Garaka's pet begins eating a Wild Hog Shank. 5/11 10:37:03.441 Zomboni cheers at Mynameisman! 5/11 10:37:03.843 [Guild] Why: I will sacrifice myself for the wedding couple! 5/11 10:37:06.156 Futureworlds says: we are capturing and streaming the conference 5/11 10:37:20.049 Jusdafacs says: who is getting married, anyways? 5/11 10:37:24.771 [Guild] Ybika: bye all. thanks! 5/11 10:37:25.390 Optimoose cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:37:27.511 [Guild] Jalena: If you search "wow conference" on youtube you will find one of my videos from yesterday 5/11 10:37:30.571 Hypothesis cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:37:33.603 [Guild] Saureus: heehee, the reception is occurring before the wedding! 5/11 10:37:34.831 Hypothesis cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:37:40.074 [Guild] Pipetter: ciao 5/11 10:37:47.196 Pipetter has gone offline. 5/11 10:37:53.740 Ybika has gone offline. 5/11 10:37:54.516 Nosedinosaur has gone offline. 5/11 10:37:56.096 [Guild] Lack: hahaha 5/11 10:37:58.756 [Guild] Maggiemae: LOL 5/11 10:37:59.165 [Guild] Garaka: did I mark the right groom? :-P 5/11 10:37:59.875 Madrededios dances with Ofielia. 5/11 10:38:04.197 Maggiemae seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:38:04.364 [Guild] Catullus: We shall begin! 5/11 10:38:06.627 Togda seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:38:07.077 [Guild] Catullus: We gather together in the Holy Light, on land blessed by the Earthmother, and in knowledge that beyond this world of illusion exist many mysterious levels of reality. 5/11 10:38:17.361 Trickshot seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:38:17.367 [Guild] Catullus: We have gathered to celebrate the marriage of Gonzorina and Optimoose, the union of a duality that links not merely two individuals and two genders, but two races. 5/11 10:38:17.548 [Guild] Perplextar: need to go - kudos to the org - lets keep this alive 5/11 10:38:17.954 Gonzorina yells: WEDDING GUESTS, WELCOME!!!!! 5/11 10:38:19.098 Kvinesdal cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:38:21.894 [Guild] Trickshot: Plenty more free drinks if you want them, i'm the little guy on the wall with the owls. 5/11 10:38:22.180 [Guild] Arillea: is themeeting still going on? 5/11 10:38:29.975 [Guild] Catullus: Tauren are the original inhabitants of Mulgore, rare among races in still dwelling on the same land as their ancestors. Now, as members of the Horde, they possess powerful allies in preserving that heritage. 5/11 10:38:32.265 Optimoose blushes. 5/11 10:38:33.765 [Guild] Garaka: there, the priest gets one too 5/11 10:38:34.264 Zomboni cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:38:38.904 Perplextar yells: FOR SCIENCE AND FOR THE HORDE!!! 5/11 10:38:39.288 [Guild] Catullus: Trolls are descendants of a great but fallen civilization. During the disintegration of the Gurubashi Empire, the Darkspear Tribe became refugees, but now they have found a home with us, in the Horde. 5/11 10:38:40.419 Dwyscience bursts into dance. 5/11 10:38:49.279 Trickshot says: Passem out :D 5/11 10:38:49.937 [Guild] Catullus: Tauren know well that the universe is a fabric of many dualities, beginning with the four primary elements. In nature, forces oppose one another, but at the same time, one cannot exist without the other. 5/11 10:38:50.049 Jusdafacs thanks Trickshot. 5/11 10:38:54.963 Perplextar has gone offline. 5/11 10:39:00.437 [Guild] Catullus: Earth is the essential foundation, providing strength, stamina and patience. Fire is the principle of destruction and chaos, whereas Water means rebirth. Air represents spiritual freedom. 5/11 10:39:04.838 Jusdafacs seems a little tipsy from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:39:12.747 [Guild] Catullus: Trolls know well that morality must rely upon the wisdom of the three cardinal virtues: Tenacity, Respect, and Compassion. 5/11 10:39:24.102 [Guild] Catullus: All creatures and some objects have souls or spirits. Some, unfortunately are malign, greedy, hostile and dangerous, so at times we must rely upon spiritual healing to support our tenacity. 5/11 10:39:24.564 Taurhild has gone offline. 5/11 10:39:27.970 Tannim's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:39:32.293 Oisini kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:39:35.228 Charolais has gone offline. 5/11 10:39:38.455 [Guild] Catullus: Now, Gonzorina and Optimoose have come together to heal each other, to respect each other, and to share compassion for each other. Let us show them our respect and compassion! (All kneel, except the couple.) 5/11 10:39:42.545 Garaka seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:39:42.982 [Guild] Forme: YEEEHAAA ...hic! 5/11 10:39:44.646 Hypothesis kneels down. 5/11 10:39:44.646 Abeya kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:39:46.780 Garaka kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:39:46.951 Nokota kneels down. 5/11 10:39:47.777 Grimflower kneels down. 5/11 10:39:47.777 Nemorensis kneels down. 5/11 10:39:48.181 Mynameisman kneels before Catullus. 5/11 10:39:49.247 [Guild] Catullus: Gonzorina, what do you pledge to Optimoose? 5/11 10:39:50.690 Lack kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:39:52.032 Ophelie kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:39:52.694 Bartlescriv kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:39:53.209 Why seems a little tipsy from the Brewfest Brew. 5/11 10:39:53.595 Hypothesis kneels before Catullus. 5/11 10:39:55.319 Ealphaba kneels down. 5/11 10:39:55.319 Vertheamp kneels down. 5/11 10:39:55.928 Alishya kneels before Peitewhisky. 5/11 10:39:56.541 [Guild] Forme: wow 5/11 10:39:59.366 Zedediah kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:39:59.530 Uljasa kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:01.388 Retief kneels before Saureus. 5/11 10:40:01.388 Forme is completely smashed from the Junglevine Wine. 5/11 10:40:01.623 Boscotore kneels down. 5/11 10:40:02.263 Idnan kneels down. 5/11 10:40:02.485 Jusdafacs kneels before Grimflower. 5/11 10:40:02.872 Extropia kneels down. 5/11 10:40:03.211 Maggiemae kneels down. 5/11 10:40:04.590 Scienceagain salutes Gonzorina with respect. 5/11 10:40:05.598 Why kneels down. 5/11 10:40:06.091 Saureus kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:40:06.904 Tannim's pet begins eating a Roasted Boar Meat. 5/11 10:40:08.489 Shugar has gone offline. 5/11 10:40:08.489 Bowhunk kneels before Catullus. 5/11 10:40:09.711 Zscheme kneels down. 5/11 10:40:15.559 Teriely kneels down. 5/11 10:40:16.943 Jakola kneels down. 5/11 10:40:17.390 Futureworlds kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:17.390 Gontrus applauds at Optimoose. Bravo! 5/11 10:40:18.558 Dwyscience kneels down. 5/11 10:40:18.776 Bloodhumour kneels before Stronglykbul. 5/11 10:40:19.401 Nemorensis kneels down. 5/11 10:40:21.379 [Guild] Forme: woohooo 5/11 10:40:22.007 Profsmith kneels down. 5/11 10:40:23.212 Kvinesdal kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:23.984 Annelida kneels down. 5/11 10:40:24.200 Ophelie kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:40:24.887 Ofielia kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:25.597 Adarel kneels down. 5/11 10:40:28.497 Gontrus kneels before Optimoose. 5/11 10:40:28.926 Saureus gently pats Darwin. 5/11 10:40:31.229 Cplane kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:31.450 Futureworlds kneels down. 5/11 10:40:31.450 Madrededios kneels down. 5/11 10:40:31.731 Gonzorina says: I have prepared a vow... 5/11 10:40:31.894 Maggiemae gently pats Darwin. 5/11 10:40:33.639 Forme kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:33.639 Passera has come online. 5/11 10:40:35.776 Hexameter kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:36.892 Grimflower kneels down. 5/11 10:40:43.515 Gonzorina says: First, I want to thank you all for coming. 5/11 10:40:50.934 Blindedbi kneels before Catullus. 5/11 10:40:52.373 Boscotore kneels down. 5/11 10:40:52.846 Why kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:40:54.586 Ophelie kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:41:06.062 Slizelina kneels down. 5/11 10:41:07.224 Forme says: hic! ...hic! 5/11 10:41:10.279 Gonzorina says: Now, let me gather myself... 5/11 10:41:11.657 Lack laughs at Optimoose. 5/11 10:41:12.716 [Guild] Passera: can I get a summon? :) 5/11 10:41:14.035 Forme looks drunk. 5/11 10:41:18.227 Gonzorina lets out a hacking cough. 5/11 10:41:24.522 Optimoose smiles at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:41:30.831 Liebenwalde has gone offline. 5/11 10:41:34.402 Gonzorina says: Optimoose, I pledge to be as true as a troll can be... 5/11 10:41:45.751 Gonzorina says: To love you in every season, across land or sea... 5/11 10:41:57.362 Gonzorina says: I pledge to stand by your side for every battle... 5/11 10:41:57.941 Forme claps excitedly for Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:05.610 Lack laughs. 5/11 10:42:06.362 Jusdafacs seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:42:06.577 Wraithen has gone offline. 5/11 10:42:08.703 Gonzorina says: And to kill anyone who says I married cattle! 5/11 10:42:09.499 Stronglykbul flirts with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:14.224 Garaka laughs at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:14.438 Grimflower laughs. 5/11 10:42:15.060 Jusdafacs laughs at Why. 5/11 10:42:15.819 Lack claps excitedly. 5/11 10:42:16.559 Idnan laughs. 5/11 10:42:17.148 Blindedbi cheers! 5/11 10:42:17.359 Extropia laughs 5/11 10:42:18.101 Bloodhumour laughs. 5/11 10:42:19.044 Jalena giggles. 5/11 10:42:19.674 Boscotore laughs. 5/11 10:42:20.046 Zscheme laughs. 5/11 10:42:20.466 Gonzorina smiles. 5/11 10:42:20.947 Oisini laughs at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:20.947 Cplane laughs at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:20.947 Maggiemae laughs at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:21.162 Optimoose grins wickedly at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:21.578 Blindedbi laughs. 5/11 10:42:21.578 Hypothesis laughs at Kvinesdal. 5/11 10:42:21.960 Forme laughs at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:23.665 [Guild] Arillea: can someone summon met to stranglethorn? 5/11 10:42:23.665 Lack quietly snickers to himself. 5/11 10:42:25.189 Futureworlds says: lol 5/11 10:42:25.408 Ophelie laughs at Optimoose. 5/11 10:42:25.622 Nokota laughs. 5/11 10:42:25.997 Saureus cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:42:26.216 Zomboni laughs at Optimoose. 5/11 10:42:27.989 Nemorensis laughs. 5/11 10:42:28.794 Jusdafacs claps excitedly for Why. 5/11 10:42:29.542 [Guild] Catullus: Optimoose, what do you pledge to Gonzorina? 5/11 10:42:30.542 Hypothesis cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:42:31.118 Profsmith laughs. 5/11 10:42:34.571 Profsmith claps excitedly. 5/11 10:42:35.483 Bogaran laughs at Catullus. 5/11 10:42:35.593 Why kneels down. 5/11 10:42:36.556 Crowhorn moos at Gonzorina. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:42:36.556 Zedediah laughs at Optimoose. 5/11 10:42:39.572 Optimoose says: I pledge to protect, honor and defend you. I promise to fight at your side and heal your wounds. 5/11 10:42:41.596 Profsmith moos. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:42:42.879 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: apparently my wife left for the market without me. 5/11 10:42:49.316 Grimflower moos. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:42:49.727 Zomboni cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:42:51.148 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: lol 5/11 10:42:53.400 Why seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:42:56.675 Why kneels before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:42:57.103 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: uh oh spousal aggro ? 5/11 10:42:57.692 Saureus cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:42:57.860 [Guild] Catullus: Then let us raise a shout of joy for Gonzorina and Optimoose! LOK’TAR! Please move back to the wall to make space for the wedding couple to dance! 5/11 10:42:59.190 Zedediah cries on Optimoose's shoulder. 5/11 10:42:59.413 Forme moos at Optimoose. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:42:59.991 Optimoose says: I understand the sacrifice you are making to live with me and my people. 5/11 10:43:05.537 Garaka cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:05.861 Gonzorina says: Now kiss me you big stud! 5/11 10:43:06.609 Hypothesis cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:07.524 Nokota cheers! 5/11 10:43:08.335 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: we'll see.... :p 5/11 10:43:08.557 [Guild] Catullus: Then let us raise a shout of joy for Gonzorina and Optimoose! LOK’TAR! Please move back to the wall to make space for the wedding couple to dance! 5/11 10:43:09.973 Mynameisman cheers at Trickshot! 5/11 10:43:11.143 Maggiemae grins wickedly at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:43:12.047 Optimoose blows Gonzorina a kiss. 5/11 10:43:12.845 Nokota cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:13.646 Blindedbi cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:16.163 Optimoose cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:16.596 Getfunked yells: cow patties provide valuable shamanistic tools 5/11 10:43:16.932 Nokota cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:18.900 Forme laughs at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:43:18.900 Gonzorina blows Optimoose a kiss. 5/11 10:43:18.908 Khatchi cheers! 5/11 10:43:19.133 Lack cheers at Kandilgre! 5/11 10:43:21.102 Abeya cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:21.614 Bartlescriv claps excitedly for Catullus. 5/11 10:43:21.614 Extropia cheers the couple! 5/11 10:43:22.949 Jusdafacs cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:23.125 Ixila has come online. 5/11 10:43:23.125 Nemorensis applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:23.125 Zomboni cheers! 5/11 10:43:24.410 Why cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:25.356 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: I think maybe it'll be okay.. she went with our neighbor. 5/11 10:43:25.952 Boscotore cheers! 5/11 10:43:26.948 Gonzorina hugs Optimoose. 5/11 10:43:28.251 Hexameter cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:28.251 Maggiemae is amazed by Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:28.973 Why cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:30.985 Garaka claps excitedly for Optimoose. 5/11 10:43:31.597 Lack cheers! 5/11 10:43:31.771 Bowhunk cheers at Catullus! 5/11 10:43:32.103 Idnan cheers! 5/11 10:43:32.599 Forme cries on Optimoose's shoulder. 5/11 10:43:32.770 Cplane claps excitedly for Gonzorina. 5/11 10:43:32.770 Jusdafacs claps excitedly for Optimoose. 5/11 10:43:32.995 Hexameter cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:34.682 Stronglykbul cheers! 5/11 10:43:35.078 Why cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:36.916 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:43:36.916 Grimflower applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:37.484 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: Beth Kolko! :) 5/11 10:43:38.216 Stronglykbul applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:38.221 Garaka cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:38.843 Bartlescriv hugs Gonzorina. 5/11 10:43:39.839 Trickshot cheers at Oisini! 5/11 10:43:39.844 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: oh thats' good :) 5/11 10:43:40.346 Lack claps excitedly. 5/11 10:43:42.095 Hypothesis cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:43:42.326 Trickshot applauds at Oisini. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:43.164 Computabull has gone offline. 5/11 10:43:43.335 Bloodhumour cries. 5/11 10:43:43.565 Lack applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:44.352 Uljasa hugs Gonzorina. 5/11 10:43:44.861 Hypothesis applauds at Optimoose. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:45.091 Alishya cheers! 5/11 10:43:48.554 Dwyscience cheers! 5/11 10:43:48.778 Gontrus applauds. Bravo! 5/11 10:43:49.467 Forme cries on Optimoose's shoulder. 5/11 10:43:49.467 Why claps excitedly. 5/11 10:43:49.719 Cplane cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:49.881 Madrededios cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:51.672 Lack cries. 5/11 10:43:51.672 Trickshot moos at Oisini. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:43:52.019 Gizsela cheers! 5/11 10:43:54.508 Uljasa salutes Optimoose with respect. 5/11 10:43:55.348 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: did she say anytthing before leaving? 5/11 10:43:58.118 [Guild] Catullus: Then let us raise a shout of joy for Gonzorina and Optimoose! LOK’TAR! Please move back to the wall to make space for the wedding couple to dance! 5/11 10:43:58.345 Idnan moos. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:43:58.738 Uljasa gently pats Optimoose. 5/11 10:43:59.546 Forme cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:43:59.762 You cheer! 5/11 10:44:00.740 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:44:00.740 Zomboni cries. 5/11 10:44:00.740 Gonzorina yells: NOW LET'S DANCE! 5/11 10:44:01.845 Stronglykbul moos. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:02.230 Zedediah salutes Optimoose with respect. 5/11 10:44:04.005 Hypothesis dances with Catullus. 5/11 10:44:05.597 Why bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:05.717 Optimoose dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:05.717 Nemorensis cheers! 5/11 10:44:06.183 Jusdafacs moos at Optimoose. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:07.413 Dwyscience bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:07.580 Gizsela bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:07.580 Lack bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:08.805 Boscotore bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:10.844 Idnan cries. 5/11 10:44:11.332 Cplane dances with Zscheme. 5/11 10:44:11.720 Garaka cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:44:11.889 Stronglykbul moos at Optimoose. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:12.388 Bowhunk dances with Catullus. 5/11 10:44:12.388 Zedediah dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:13.024 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: maaaybe... ? << >> 5/11 10:44:13.360 Valieria dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:17.025 Optimoose dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:17.255 Stronglykbul moos at Grimflower. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:17.255 Garaka dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:18.675 Megapix has gone offline. 5/11 10:44:19.267 Grimflower bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:19.676 Gonzorina bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:20.536 Zomboni dances with Grace of Air Totem. 5/11 10:44:20.769 [Guild] Forme: DISCO POWAH ...hic! 5/11 10:44:20.769 Futureworlds bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:21.347 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:21.347 Stronglykbul moos at Noanok. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:21.995 Bartlescriv dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:21.998 Idnan bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:23.264 Nokota bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:24.313 Bloodhumour bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:25.710 Stronglykbul moos at Bogaran. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:27.536 Jusdafacs dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:28.783 Ophelie dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:29.010 Garaka bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:29.406 Khatchi bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:30.115 Profsmith dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:30.346 Stronglykbul flirts with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:31.148 Abeya bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:33.765 Stronglykbul flirts with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:34.430 Forme yells: BOOTY BAY DISCO BAY 5/11 10:44:34.433 Scienceagain dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:37.466 Stronglykbul flirts with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:38.594 You burst into dance. 5/11 10:44:38.775 Extropia dances with Alishya. 5/11 10:44:39.164 Idnan bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:39.557 Futureworlds bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:40.556 Blindedbi dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:44:41.574 Tavu dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:43.781 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:43.968 Adarel bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:44.218 Gontrus bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:44.408 Kvinesdal bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:45.821 Alishya bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:46.515 Stronglykbul moos at Gonzorina. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:44:47.188 Scienceagain dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:48.254 Huntus yells: [Common] agol se majis 5/11 10:44:49.621 Futureworlds bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:50.439 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: lol 5/11 10:44:51.729 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:44:52.759 Madrededios dances with Ofielia. 5/11 10:44:54.372 Forme dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:44:54.771 Hypothesis performs a back-flip. Wheee! 5/11 10:44:54.777 [Guild] Lack: ok can we kill something now? 5/11 10:44:56.572 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: hehe 5/11 10:44:59.580 Numbersix has gone offline. 5/11 10:44:59.784 Bartlescriv dances with Futureworlds. 5/11 10:45:00.404 [Guild] Khatchi: lol 5/11 10:45:00.762 Nemorensis cheers! 5/11 10:45:01.788 Uljasa dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:45:01.788 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:05.212 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:06.630 Warahip dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:45:07.238 Why dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:45:12.058 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:12.058 Nokota bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:13.072 Optimoose dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:45:17.367 Lack bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:18.207 Vertheamp dances with Ealphaba. 5/11 10:45:18.207 Ealphaba bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:18.494 Teriely dances with Ealphaba. 5/11 10:45:18.720 Bevicenth dances with Ealphaba. 5/11 10:45:19.112 Mynameisman dances with Trickshot. 5/11 10:45:19.504 Garaka cheers! 5/11 10:45:19.727 Hypothesis kills time! 5/11 10:45:20.687 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:21.588 Hexameter has gone offline. 5/11 10:45:29.372 Jusdafacs says: best...wedding party...evah!!!! 5/11 10:45:32.160 Why yells: Three cheers for the newly married cupple! 5/11 10:45:35.192 Blindedbi dances with Darwin. 5/11 10:45:36.200 [Guild] Extropia: for anybody in Second Life - Extropia the Community is throwing a party at 3pm PDT today - live DJs for our 6 month anniversary - come on down! 5/11 10:45:36.796 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:45:37.713 Stronglykbul bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:38.422 Tavu cheers! 5/11 10:45:38.422 Garaka cheers! 5/11 10:45:39.421 Maggiemae says: yes wonderful wedding!!! 5/11 10:45:39.805 Nokota cheers! 5/11 10:45:40.241 Tavu cheers! 5/11 10:45:40.244 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:45:41.011 Blindedbi cheers at Darwin! 5/11 10:45:41.011 Garaka cheers! 5/11 10:45:41.237 Jusdafacs says: hip hip hurrah! 5/11 10:45:41.734 Zultanis cheers! 5/11 10:45:42.335 Nokota cheers! 5/11 10:45:43.532 Garaka cheers! 5/11 10:45:44.146 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:45:44.526 [Guild] Catullus: And I will dance with my Alliance wife, Lunette! 5/11 10:45:44.966 Optimoose highfive's Catullus 5/11 10:45:44.966 Jusdafacs cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:45:45.758 Nokota cheers! 5/11 10:45:46.675 Khatchi cheers! 5/11 10:45:46.675 Zultanis bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:46.739 Hypothesis says: what a lovely couple 5/11 10:45:47.081 Abeya cheers! 5/11 10:45:48.251 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:45:49.487 Blindedbi says: huzzah 5/11 10:45:49.487 Lack yells: HOORAY! 5/11 10:45:50.679 Jusdafacs cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:45:51.357 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:45:53.978 Valieria bursts into dance. 5/11 10:45:55.020 Jusdafacs cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:45:56.192 Grimflower cries. 5/11 10:45:56.195 Kandilgre dances with Stronglykbul. 5/11 10:45:57.219 Gonzorina yells: PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE TOOK PICTURES!!!! 5/11 10:45:58.509 Goreloc bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:01.032 Zomboni snickers at Lunette. 5/11 10:46:02.660 Locklor yells: HIP HIP HOORAY! 5/11 10:46:03.062 Lunette bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:04.083 Forme yells: I DID 5/11 10:46:05.830 Mairen yells: I did! 5/11 10:46:10.506 Catullus bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:13.307 Tavu yells: These are going on flickr! 5/11 10:46:14.222 Maggiemae says: such a cute couple 5/11 10:46:15.094 [Guild] Rhiannonn: am shooting machinima :) 5/11 10:46:18.133 Stronglykbul bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:18.723 Profsmith has gone offline. 5/11 10:46:20.391 Forme yells: THEY ARE BLURRY THOUGH HAHA 5/11 10:46:20.826 Bloodhumour cheers! 5/11 10:46:22.847 Madrededios dances with Ofielia. 5/11 10:46:25.171 Maggiemae bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:31.833 Optimoose kneels down. 5/11 10:46:32.322 Gonzorina yells: SEND PICS/VID TO GONZO@AAAS.ORG ---THANKS ALL!! 5/11 10:46:37.173 Bloodhumour bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:47.521 Uljasa dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:46:49.529 Why dances with Lunette. 5/11 10:46:50.226 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: this was truly fun 5/11 10:46:51.590 [Guild] Garaka: oo! do we get to be in Science Mag? 5/11 10:46:52.021 Kandilgre dances with Gontrus. 5/11 10:46:56.156 Why bursts into dance. 5/11 10:46:56.353 Jusdafacs yells: NIGHT ELF! 5/11 10:46:58.464 Zedediah salutes Optimoose with respect. 5/11 10:46:58.867 Liebenwalde has come online. 5/11 10:46:59.500 [Guild] Arillea: otgi? 5/11 10:47:00.604 Jusdafacs points at Lunette. 5/11 10:47:03.906 [Guild] Tannim: now lets go raid somewhere in celebration. 5/11 10:47:06.016 Optimoose yells: Get em! 5/11 10:47:06.955 Bartlescriv bows before Gonzorina. 5/11 10:47:09.951 Niali has gone offline. 5/11 10:47:10.923 Gonzorina yells: YES, EVERYONE GETS INTO SCIENCE TODAY! 5/11 10:47:13.670 Idnan seems a little tipsy from the Jug of Bourbon. 5/11 10:47:14.442 Forme looks tipsy. 5/11 10:47:15.990 Apophenius bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:20.596 Optimoose giggles at Gonzorina. 5/11 10:47:21.187 [Guild] Garaka: woot!!!! 5/11 10:47:23.201 Optimoose dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:47:25.039 Grimflower applauds at Lunette. Bravo! 5/11 10:47:25.857 Jusdafacs dances with Lunette. 5/11 10:47:27.340 Zultanis bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:27.934 Garaka cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:47:29.778 Maggiemae yells: YAY -- always wanted to be in Science!!!! 5/11 10:47:30.186 Garaka cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:47:30.532 Bartlescriv starts to charge. 5/11 10:47:32.141 Garaka cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:47:34.000 Khatchi bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:36.491 Tavu bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:38.907 Maggiemae starts to charge. 5/11 10:47:39.108 Boscotore bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:41.744 Apophenius is low on mana. 5/11 10:47:44.114 Forme dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:47:46.233 Blindedbi bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:46.656 Tavu bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:46.656 Jalena dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:47:49.448 Nokota bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:49.448 Zultanis bursts into dance. 5/11 10:47:49.652 [Guild] Peitewhisky: do we form the raid? 5/11 10:47:49.848 [Guild] Kandilgre: on, to Westfall?> 5/11 10:47:53.367 Abeya bursts into dance. 5/11 10:48:03.777 Optimoose dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:48:05.085 [Guild] Trickshot: OPEN BAR TO ALL THE WEDDING GUESTS!!!! COME TRADE ME... 5/11 10:48:08.060 Tavu bursts into dance. 5/11 10:48:10.873 Vardelys salutes Optimoose with respect. 5/11 10:48:16.828 Zultanis bursts into dance. 5/11 10:48:18.835 Boscotore's Bore is dismissed. 5/11 10:48:19.628 [Guild] Garaka: WHO WANTS A RAID INVITE? 5/11 10:48:20.793 [Guild] Phugue: I hope the organizers will keep the website up and running. 5/11 10:48:22.265 Gizsela bursts into dance. 5/11 10:48:22.585 [Guild] Passera: I do 5/11 10:48:23.255 Grimflower says: Nothing says, "Felicity and conjugal bliss" like a raid! 5/11 10:48:27.701 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: raid time :D 5/11 10:48:28.912 Apophenius seems a little tipsy from the Skin of Dwarven Stout. 5/11 10:48:31.308 Zultanis says: woooooo!!!!!! 5/11 10:48:33.196 [Guild] Yasura: Raid invite xD 5/11 10:48:37.884 To Garaka: me please 5/11 10:48:39.265 Gonzorina laughs. 5/11 10:48:39.677 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: ok, I'm going to go try to convince my husband to go buy some ice cream :) 5/11 10:48:40.984 Vardelys dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:48:42.680 Zultanis says: stormwind beware! 5/11 10:48:43.078 [Guild] Lack: to battle! 5/11 10:48:45.814 Garaka has invited you to join a group. 5/11 10:48:46.796 [Guild] Forme: WHISKEY PLEASE! 5/11 10:48:47.371 Teriely has gone offline. 5/11 10:48:47.602 Bartlescriv says: I knew her since she was level 1 5/11 10:48:48.895 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: mmmm! 5/11 10:48:49.517 Bevicenth has gone offline. 5/11 10:48:50.286 Trickshot has gone offline. 5/11 10:48:51.673 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: ok see you :) 5/11 10:48:51.673 Looting changed to Group Loot. 5/11 10:48:51.673 Loot threshold set to Uncommon. 5/11 10:48:51.691 You have joined a raid group. 5/11 10:48:52.552 Zallandra has gone offline. 5/11 10:48:52.704 [Guild] Why: Thank you all! 5/11 10:48:52.935 [Guild] Rissy: Raid invite please 5/11 10:48:53.929 Vertheamp has gone offline. 5/11 10:48:58.081 [Guild] Tannim: how are we getting there? 5/11 10:48:59.412 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: see you guys tonight? 5/11 10:49:00.252 [Guild] Bartlescriv: raid invite here too 5/11 10:49:00.478 Stronglykbul moos at Gonzorina. Mooooooooooo. 5/11 10:49:01.670 [Guild] Extropia: raid invite here too! 5/11 10:49:03.464 Rissy's pet begins eating a Big Bear Meat. 5/11 10:49:05.503 [Guild] Garaka: ah...scrolling too fast! 5/11 10:49:06.778 Gonzorina yells: Now let's celebrate with a slaughter!!!! 5/11 10:49:07.410 [Guild] Ronaan: what is the nature of hte raid? and what level? 5/11 10:49:07.410 Rissy's pet begins eating a Big Bear Meat. 5/11 10:49:07.624 [Guild] Apophenius: raid invite too pls 5/11 10:49:08.278 [Raid] Passera: it looks like i'll meet up with everyone in stranglethorn 5/11 10:49:09.989 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: i signed up but i dont' think dps is needed 5/11 10:49:10.732 [Guild] Blindedbi: raid inv 5/11 10:49:12.055 Optimoose cheers! 5/11 10:49:13.826 Rissy's pet begins eating a Big Bear Meat. 5/11 10:49:14.250 Zomboni cheers at Gonzorina! 5/11 10:49:14.979 [Guild] Yasura: are we going to yojamba isle first or no? 5/11 10:49:17.495 Apophenius has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:17.495 Zultanis yells: WOOOOOOOOT!!!!! 5/11 10:49:17.982 Despair cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:49:18.354 [Guild] Arillea: wedding? 5/11 10:49:18.565 Blindedbi has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:19.188 Jalena's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:49:20.369 [Guild] Catullus: Whisper Catullus if you want to join his raiding party to attack Sentinel Hill! 5/11 10:49:20.369 [Guild] Boscotore: I need a raid group, please. 5/11 10:49:23.203 Despair dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:49:23.203 Why has gone offline. 5/11 10:49:24.220 Zultanis has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:25.809 Rissy's pet begins eating a Big Bear Meat. 5/11 10:49:27.860 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: last I looked we needed healers, we'll see 5/11 10:49:27.860 Arillea has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:28.943 [Guild] Boscotore: Is there a level requirement? 5/11 10:49:28.947 [Guild] Saureus: Yojamba Isle!! 5/11 10:49:29.657 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: If I were to transfer Thog to Eitrigg would there be room in a raid? 5/11 10:49:30.660 Boscotore has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:30.815 [Guild] Hypothesis: WEDDING! 5/11 10:49:31.670 [Guild] Gizsela: let's hope that does not go RL 5/11 10:49:34.447 [Guild] Forme: LETSh JUMP OFF THE CLIFF ALL ) 5/11 10:49:35.269 [Guild] Pirho: what lvl for the raids? 5/11 10:49:36.869 [Guild] Alishya: Invite for the raid, please. 5/11 10:49:37.499 Passera has left the raid group. 5/11 10:49:41.186 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: I may just respec 5/11 10:49:41.394 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: thinking of there or back to my home server 5/11 10:49:43.334 Saureus has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:45.919 Gizsela has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:48.026 Idnan has gone offline. 5/11 10:49:48.433 Rissy's pet begins eating a Big Bear Meat. 5/11 10:49:50.042 [Guild] Locklor: invite for raid also pls 5/11 10:49:50.436 Zscheme has gone offline. 5/11 10:49:52.888 Alishya has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:54.889 [Guild] Deaxter: raid invit too please 5/11 10:49:56.514 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: for tonight, Marc? 5/11 10:49:57.311 [Guild] Rissy: riad invite please 5/11 10:49:57.515 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: invite to raid plz 5/11 10:49:59.216 Locklor has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:49:59.835 Apophenius seems to be sobering up. 5/11 10:50:03.619 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: No I mean in general 5/11 10:50:04.027 [Guild] Rissy: raid even blush 5/11 10:50:06.054 Rissy has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:50:06.376 Alwayofmisha has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:50:13.080 [Guild] Extropia: raid here too 5/11 10:50:13.080 [Guild] Forme: Raid invite pls 5/11 10:50:14.075 Optimoose waves at Despair. 5/11 10:50:15.206 [Guild] Maggiemae: does anyone know where we are going now? 5/11 10:50:15.412 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: Of course, there's always room in raids 5/11 10:50:18.712 [Guild] Grimflower: invite to raid pls 5/11 10:50:20.472 Extropia has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:50:20.710 Bowhunk has gone offline. 5/11 10:50:21.053 Despair waves at Optimoose. 5/11 10:50:21.927 Optimoose gasps at Melyanna. 5/11 10:50:22.943 Zultanis claps excitedly for Optimoose. 5/11 10:50:25.578 Zultanis claps excitedly for Gonzorina. 5/11 10:50:26.560 [Guild] Crowhorn: raid invite please 5/11 10:50:28.181 Grimflower has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:50:30.180 Optimoose says: You guys made it! I am so glad! 5/11 10:50:33.427 [Guild] Valieria: raid Invite, Please? 5/11 10:50:33.778 Crowhorn has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:50:34.999 Cplane has gone offline. 5/11 10:50:36.325 Jalena says: congratulations both!! 5/11 10:50:37.619 [Guild] Yasura: the intinerary at the site says yojamba isle to collect to go to alliance territory 5/11 10:50:39.451 Valieria has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:50:43.882 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: just need to sign up in advance lol 5/11 10:50:44.296 Gonzorina waves. 5/11 10:50:45.177 Despair cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:50:46.076 [Guild] Maggiemae: ah ok oty 5/11 10:50:47.484 Gonzorina cheers! 5/11 10:50:48.615 [Guild] Maggiemae: ty* 5/11 10:50:50.807 [Guild] Bartlescriv: Strong, I'm trying to raise you but no luck 5/11 10:50:51.214 [Guild] Warahip: raid invite please here 5/11 10:50:52.521 Melyanna starts to charge. 5/11 10:50:55.350 Zultanis dances with Gonzorina. 5/11 10:50:57.327 [Guild] Jusdafacs: OK, I have to go 5/11 10:50:58.751 Optimoose cheers at Zedediah! 5/11 10:50:59.973 [Guild] Ronaan: level necessary? 5/11 10:51:00.334 Warahip has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:51:00.334 Noanok has gone offline. 5/11 10:51:00.346 Lemony bursts into dance. 5/11 10:51:01.453 [Guild] Crowhorn: Deadmines raid! :D 5/11 10:51:02.485 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: ah I see... may do in the future... :) 5/11 10:51:05.209 [Guild] Jusdafacs: This was very interesting, thank you all 5/11 10:51:05.372 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: thanks 5/11 10:51:07.217 [Guild] Maggiemae: thanks for comoing Jus 5/11 10:51:07.538 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: ill meet yall at yojamba then :D 5/11 10:51:08.793 Despair dances with Optimoose. 5/11 10:51:09.417 Optimoose grins wickedly at Wurmwood. 5/11 10:51:12.831 Optimoose dances with Wurmwood. 5/11 10:51:16.066 [Guild] Stronglykbul: I wasnt dead 5/11 10:51:17.035 [Guild] Bartlescriv: so, to westfall then? 5/11 10:51:17.847 [Guild] Gonzorina: Whisper to Catullus for RAID INVITE... 5/11 10:51:18.054 Zedediah cheers at Optimoose! 5/11 10:51:19.952 Jalena's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 10:51:19.962 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: we don't have that many rogues around, apart from Bonnie 5/11 10:51:22.085 [Guild] Maggiemae: omw to Yojamba 5/11 10:51:22.752 [Guild] Deaxter: raid invite? 5/11 10:51:23.192 [Guild] Stronglykbul: yes 5/11 10:51:25.605 [Guild] Bartlescriv: strong, well that explains it 5/11 10:51:26.030 [Raid] Gizsela: are we moving on to yoyomba island? 5/11 10:51:27.576 [Guild] Arillea: raid plz? 5/11 10:51:28.746 Trickshot has come online. 5/11 10:51:29.235 [Guild] Bartlescriv: k, I'm off 5/11 10:51:31.048 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: group up at yojamba 5/11 10:51:35.373 [Raid] Alwayofmisha: ya 5/11 10:51:37.341 [4. terrornova] Kowski: terror i am getting off. see u back in Ettrigg. 5/11 10:51:44.446 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs: bye for now 5/11 10:51:45.406 [4. terrornova] Thoguht: bye! 5/11 10:51:46.893 Bloodhumour has gone offline. 5/11 10:51:49.246 [4. terrornova] Maggiemae: ok bye kowski 5/11 10:51:51.844 [Guild] Garaka: did I get everyone? 5/11 10:51:56.762 [Raid] Alwayofmisha: just lookout for nasties on the way 5/11 10:52:00.585 [4. terrornova] Kowski: byes :) 5/11 10:52:00.907 Tavu yells: HOOOOPLAH! 5/11 10:52:15.279 [Guild] Arillea: still trying to get to strangelthorn 5/11 10:52:21.639 [Guild] Stronglykbul: I can escort a group from Gromgol to Westfall 5/11 10:52:23.280 Tannim has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:52:23.742 [Guild] Liebenwalde: invite please 5/11 10:52:25.051 [Guild] Ixila: omw to stranglethorn 5/11 10:52:26.556 [4. terrornova] Kowski left channel. 5/11 10:52:26.559 Kowski has gone offline. 5/11 10:52:26.559 [Guild] Passera: i will totally aggro everything 5/11 10:52:27.932 Locklor has left the raid group. 5/11 10:52:30.548 [Raid] Zultanis: arent we goong to stormwind? 5/11 10:52:33.277 [Guild] Passera: I'd like that escort 5/11 10:52:37.515 [Guild] Slizelina: invite? 5/11 10:52:39.555 [Guild] Bartlescriv: i'll help strong 5/11 10:52:44.452 [Guild] Liebenwalde: to raid? 5/11 10:52:46.156 [Raid] Yasura: yea, we're assembling on the isle first 5/11 10:52:47.672 Slizelina has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:52:50.994 [Guild] Liebenwalde: somebody was asking 5/11 10:52:52.392 [4. terrornova] Moderation privileges given to Maggiemae. 5/11 10:52:52.392 [4. terrornova] Owner changed to Maggiemae. 5/11 10:52:52.392 [4. terrornova] Jusdafacs left channel. 5/11 10:52:52.994 Uljasa has gone offline. 5/11 10:52:55.312 [Guild] Maggiemae: yojamba or grom'gol? 5/11 10:52:58.031 Liebenwalde has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:52:58.590 Ealphaba has gone offline. 5/11 10:52:59.230 [Raid] Zultanis: ok cool 5/11 10:53:00.031 [Guild] Rhiannonn: Garaka can you invite me to the raid group :) 5/11 10:53:06.750 [Guild] Scienceagain: ty 5/11 10:53:08.589 Rhiannonn has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:53:11.196 [Guild] Kandilgre: yojamba is the zul garub troll island? 5/11 10:53:15.280 [Guild] Yasura: yep 5/11 10:53:15.677 [Guild] Maggiemae: yes 5/11 10:53:24.186 [Guild] Arillea: raid plz? 5/11 10:53:25.030 [Guild] Yasura: to grom'gol and then...find your way to the isle 5/11 10:53:26.027 [Guild] Garaka: who else? 5/11 10:53:26.428 [Guild] Maggiemae: nicei music there 5/11 10:53:38.467 [Guild] Kandilgre: if you have coords it's at around 20.8, 23.4 5/11 10:53:38.985 [Guild] Garaka: you're already in a group Arillea 5/11 10:53:56.741 Jusdafacs has gone offline. 5/11 10:53:59.700 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: no its not kand 5/11 10:54:01.340 Saunter has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:54:07.538 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: its at 15,16 5/11 10:54:09.538 [Guild] Stronglykbul: LOL at people swimming 5/11 10:54:15.866 Abeya has gone offline. 5/11 10:54:19.902 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: your coords are for an island crawling with water eles 5/11 10:54:20.296 [Guild] Arillea: im in a raid group? 5/11 10:54:22.617 [Guild] Kandilgre: oops wrong elsnad 5/11 10:54:30.796 [Guild] Khatchi: lol 5/11 10:54:35.580 [Guild] Slizelina: hmm' 5/11 10:54:36.612 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 10:54:36.862 [Guild] Stronglykbul: 15.16, westfall then 5/11 10:54:39.537 Uljasa has come online. 5/11 10:54:41.213 [Guild] Kandilgre: wrong typing too 5/11 10:54:41.611 Warahip has gone offline. 5/11 10:54:48.355 [Guild] Garaka: do you have dots on your map? or arrows? 5/11 10:54:48.355 [Guild] Yasura: flight master is at the top of the inn 5/11 10:54:51.020 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: 15,16 is the island coords 5/11 10:54:57.906 Tannim has come online. 5/11 10:54:58.594 [Guild] Crowhorn: hey, I'm a druid.... swimming comes naturally 5/11 10:54:59.334 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: jsut come to my dot on the map, im arriving now 5/11 10:55:14.006 Arillea has left the raid group. 5/11 10:55:16.646 [Guild] Boscotore: Ha, I don't know why I thought I could swim there. 5/11 10:55:22.354 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 10:55:31.719 [Guild] Uljasa: could i get a raid invite from someone? 5/11 10:55:35.525 [Guild] Scienceagain: do the effectsh of booz stack? 5/11 10:55:37.047 [Guild] Oisini: You can 5/11 10:55:43.274 [Guild] Garaka: you're already in a grou 5/11 10:55:43.274 [Guild] Crowhorn: yes 5/11 10:55:43.688 [Guild] Kandilgre: yes 5/11 10:55:48.607 [Guild] Garaka: p 5/11 10:55:55.834 [Guild] Arillea: im not 5/11 10:55:56.136 [Guild] Kandilgre: but you'll get a headache from the screen 5/11 10:55:57.339 [Guild] Forme: can you folks summon to the westfall raid? 5/11 10:55:59.280 [Guild] Uljasa: i was just forcibly logged out -- what's the plan? 5/11 10:56:10.476 Nemorensis has gone offline. 5/11 10:56:12.636 Bytola has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:56:14.878 [Guild] Boscotore: The mechanical squirrel can swim faster than I can! 5/11 10:56:20.677 [Raid] Zultanis: there is a spy in our ranks 5/11 10:56:26.036 [Guild] Hypothesis: we're swimming to westfall 5/11 10:56:31.552 [Raid] Yasura: ? 5/11 10:56:33.964 [Raid] Kandilgre: not shocking 5/11 10:56:34.394 [Guild] Catullus: What groups are there? The plan is to attack Westfall as one group. 5/11 10:56:34.591 Tannim has come online. 5/11 10:56:40.311 [Raid] Hypothesis: ... whaaa ...? 5/11 10:56:41.510 Retief has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:56:42.230 Warahip has come online. 5/11 10:56:44.249 [Raid] Zultanis: a dwarf is now following us 5/11 10:56:50.069 [Guild] Uljasa: i'm in a group swimming back to BB -- will we go to west fall too? 5/11 10:56:52.389 [Guild] Garaka: I have a nearly full raid group 5/11 10:56:53.431 [Guild] Mairen: May I get a raid invite please? 5/11 10:56:56.389 [Guild] Arillea: i press leave party...;( 5/11 10:56:57.628 Phugue has gone offline. 5/11 10:57:01.347 [Guild] Rissy: woops 5/11 10:57:02.227 [Raid] Boscotore: Gollum! 5/11 10:57:06.266 Getfunked has gone offline. 5/11 10:57:06.786 Arillea has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:57:10.789 [Raid] Zultanis: haha 5/11 10:57:12.227 [Guild] Garaka: mairen: already in a group 5/11 10:57:16.226 [Guild] Apophenius: is there a horde flightr path here? 5/11 10:57:38.951 [Guild] Kandilgre: in BB? 5/11 10:57:45.900 [Guild] Apophenius: yes 5/11 10:57:54.539 [Guild] Boscotore: Is there deep water in a straight line to the island? Should I worry about losing fatique? 5/11 10:57:56.537 [Guild] Garaka: yes, above the inn 5/11 10:57:57.339 [Guild] Yasura: yes, if you go to the top level of the inn, go onto the balcony area and turn left 5/11 10:58:04.097 [Guild] Yasura: it's kinda hidden 5/11 10:58:05.097 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: no deep water 5/11 10:58:10.736 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: its nice all the way 5/11 10:58:16.775 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: just dont dive to deep, sharks way down 5/11 10:58:17.255 Scienceagain has gone offline. 5/11 10:58:22.943 [Guild] Lack: so what's our destination? 5/11 10:58:27.814 [Guild] Garaka: anyone still need raid invites? 5/11 10:58:39.011 [Guild] Yasura: yojamba isle. just south of where westfall is 5/11 10:58:53.268 [Guild] Gontrus: id like raid invite 5/11 10:58:57.406 [Guild] Yasura: lol murlocs xD 5/11 10:59:03.341 [Guild] Kandilgre: anyoe else think it's odd they chose marine mammals for swim form, but you still don't have to breath 5/11 10:59:06.058 Ofielia has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:59:08.459 Madrededios has joined the raid group. 5/11 10:59:11.569 [Guild] Gonzorina: And of COURSE I fall of the dock and miss the boat! 5/11 10:59:20.530 [Guild] Hypothesis: now i do 5/11 10:59:22.845 [Guild] Passera: not a wedding without a dunking 5/11 10:59:25.750 [Raid] Zultanis: who knew swimming from booty bay to yojamba isle vould be so boring 5/11 10:59:26.820 [Guild] Catullus: Either got directly to Yojamba ise, or come to Undercity Septower to go there with me! 5/11 10:59:27.642 [Guild] Saureus: shouldn't have gotten so drunk at the wedding! 5/11 10:59:29.568 [Guild] Tannim: how do we get to westfall? 5/11 10:59:36.401 [Guild] Oisini: Thanks 5/11 10:59:36.904 [Guild] Crowhorn: swim 5/11 10:59:37.321 [Raid] Boscotore: Most people. Except me. 5/11 10:59:39.530 [Guild] Yasura: more swimming 5/11 10:59:40.939 [Guild] Madrededios: are we still going to Yojimbo first>? 5/11 10:59:41.648 [Raid] Zultanis: lol 5/11 10:59:41.648 Khatchi says: drink up me hearties, yo ho. 5/11 10:59:42.056 Zomboni has gone offline. 5/11 10:59:42.821 [Guild] Catullus: We assemble on Yojamba Isle! 5/11 10:59:45.674 [Guild] Rissy: erm...where are we going? laugh 5/11 10:59:53.005 [Raid] Boscotore: I need to tame a shark and ride it. 5/11 10:59:54.116 [Raid] Yasura: and me xD i got a murloc to take notice of me 5/11 10:59:58.143 [Raid] Boscotore: New hunter skill plz. 5/11 11:00:11.116 [Raid] Zultanis: *pat pat* 5/11 11:00:18.975 Riggle Bassbait yells: Let the Fishing Tournament BEGIN! 5/11 11:00:19.184 [Raid] Arillea: im almost to booty bay 5/11 11:00:24.113 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: .ra you hunters already got enough stuff :\ 5/11 11:00:25.110 [Guild] Pirho: now remember to hold hands with your group leader kids... 5/11 11:00:30.221 [Raid] Alishya: Are you sure you want to jump the shark though? 5/11 11:00:30.676 [Guild] Bartlescriv: Anyone know where we're going? 5/11 11:00:32.231 Vythien has gone offline. 5/11 11:00:38.083 [Guild] Yasura: use the buddy system, hee 5/11 11:00:39.796 [Raid] Crowhorn: I saw a video online of a man with bait on a fishing pole using a shark to pull him along. 5/11 11:00:44.125 Maggiemae has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:00:44.393 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 11:00:46.422 Warahip has gone offline. 5/11 11:00:52.236 Stronglykbul says: I've never been here 5/11 11:00:53.459 [Raid] Crowhorn: he was on a surf board 5/11 11:00:55.780 [Guild] Catullus: Yojamba Isle is the staging point to attack Westfall 5/11 11:00:58.398 Khatchi says: same 5/11 11:01:00.106 Tannim has come online. 5/11 11:01:09.055 [Guild] Garaka: who still needs a raid invite? 5/11 11:01:11.161 [Raid] Boscotore: That's exactly what I need. 5/11 11:01:15.791 [Guild] Alishya: What, no Goldshire? The Alliance would probably welcome us there. 5/11 11:01:17.091 [Guild] Catullus: Many of us will havbe the fun of diving into the sea from the Zep 5/11 11:01:25.851 [Guild] Slizelina: okay i am lost in rachet 5/11 11:01:28.334 Cymbiotic has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:01:33.013 [Guild] Slizelina: what is this place near? 5/11 11:01:38.027 [Guild] Forme: ratchet - ship to booty 5/11 11:01:38.913 [Guild] Yasura: ratchet? take the boat to booty bay 5/11 11:01:39.535 [Guild] Boscotore: Wow, whoever said the music on Yojamba is good was right! 5/11 11:01:39.535 Khatchi has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:01:42.558 [Guild] Maggiemae: maybe a summon for those who are lost? 5/11 11:01:43.957 Oisini has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:01:52.117 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 11:01:57.119 [Guild] Grimflower: I see it ! 5/11 11:02:02.152 [Guild] Gonzorina: http://convergentsystems.pbwiki.com/Expedition+3 5/11 11:02:02.978 [Guild] Catullus: REead the wiki instructions for Expedition 3, there is even a map of the isle!!!!!! 5/11 11:02:13.525 [Guild] Slizelina: hmm i juts took th eboat from booty bay to ratchet.. back to bay?> 5/11 11:02:22.472 Tannim has come online. 5/11 11:02:23.382 [Guild] Forme: e-boat? :) 5/11 11:02:27.826 [Guild] Gonzorina: Directions: http://convergentsystems.pbwiki.com/Expedition+3 5/11 11:02:29.713 Warahip has come online. 5/11 11:02:38.758 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: ill clear a nice landing spot 5/11 11:02:39.271 [Guild] Catullus: You can swim from Booty Bay, maybe 10 min. 5/11 11:02:39.480 [Guild] Garaka: stay away from that big island folks, lots of lvl ??s 5/11 11:02:46.810 [Guild] Extropia: *waves at Rhiannon off in the distance* 5/11 11:02:52.241 [Raid] Arillea: takin the boat to booty bay 5/11 11:02:53.667 [Guild] Jakola: I just swam a bit to close:) 5/11 11:02:58.795 [Guild] Maggiemae: do we have any warlocks who could summon those who need it 5/11 11:03:06.835 [Guild] Catullus: Anybody near Undercity get ready to board the Zeppelin 5/11 11:03:08.040 [Raid] Zultanis: ya, wait for us plz :) 5/11 11:03:11.960 [Guild] Hypothesis: thanks for that tip - the music here is wild! 5/11 11:03:18.105 [1. General] Pallastar: where is the savage coast in SV 5/11 11:03:19.808 [Guild] Catullus: The Zep is nearing UC! 5/11 11:03:19.808 [Guild] Garaka: 3 openings left in my raid! 5/11 11:03:29.165 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: guys, stay at island 5/11 11:03:32.272 [Guild] Stronglykbul: three in mine too 5/11 11:03:33.580 [Guild] Irma: I'm at the island, can help warlock summon 5/11 11:03:33.790 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: imma clear a nice landing spot 5/11 11:03:35.701 [1. General] Pallastar: nvm just found it 5/11 11:03:40.633 [Guild] Rhiannonn: :) 5/11 11:03:51.508 [Raid] Maggiemae: garaka you could kick those who are not online and invite a few more 5/11 11:04:01.972 [Raid] Arillea: i cant...sorri 5/11 11:04:10.316 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: looks like the southernmost beach will make a ncie landing spot, no hostiles 5/11 11:04:12.616 [Raid Leader] Garaka: but no one else is asking 5/11 11:04:15.748 [Guild] Catullus: The plan is to assemble at Yojamba, and then as one grtoup attack Sentinel Hill 5/11 11:04:21.075 [Guild] Deaxter: omw to islant have a few shards too 5/11 11:04:22.259 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: just lookout for the ally fisherman on the docks 5/11 11:04:22.888 [Guild] Yasura: Can people please stay assembled at the Isle so people can catch up? 5/11 11:04:22.888 Futureworlds has gone offline. 5/11 11:04:26.385 [Guild] Boscotore: How long are we chilling on the island? I'd like to offload some of this video onto my external HD. 5/11 11:04:27.400 Ophelie has gone offline. 5/11 11:04:27.404 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: dont attack it 5/11 11:04:30.206 [Guild] Irma: no hostiles anywhere on yojamba isle 5/11 11:04:38.069 [Guild] Lack: yeah almost there. 5/11 11:04:39.961 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: dont give them warning of attack 5/11 11:04:41.780 [Guild] Lack: wait up 5/11 11:04:45.198 Rissy has left the raid group. 5/11 11:04:54.057 Yasura pokes Captured Hakkari Zealot. Hey! 5/11 11:04:54.062 [Guild] Optimoose: should I get my sister Owlwyffe to come along? She is 70 ;) 5/11 11:05:02.503 [Guild] Maggiemae: ophelie bringing a higher level char 5/11 11:05:04.324 [Guild] Garaka: raid invites? anyone left who's not in a raid group? 5/11 11:05:19.521 [Raid] Zultanis: so, are we just gonna swim to stormwind? 5/11 11:05:28.360 [Guild] Gonzorina: Someone INVITE THE BRIDE! 5/11 11:05:31.658 [Raid] Kandilgre: westfall 5/11 11:05:33.000 [Guild] Zenoelea: Invite please 5/11 11:05:33.398 [Raid] Arillea: i guess 5/11 11:05:37.130 Changed Channel: [1. General - Westfall] 5/11 11:05:37.134 Changed Channel: [2. LocalDefense - Westfall] 5/11 11:05:40.637 [Guild] Gonzorina: That is, SUMMON ME! 5/11 11:05:40.919 [Guild] Mynameisman: I really need a summon... 5/11 11:05:42.557 [Raid Leader] Garaka: we're raiding westfall, not sw 5/11 11:05:46.795 [Raid] Zultanis: oh, 5/11 11:05:49.876 [Guild] Apophenius: you should be on your honeymoon! 5/11 11:05:54.494 [Guild] Mairen: Should I bring my level 47? He's not in the guild, though 5/11 11:05:54.996 [Guild] Garaka: you're already in a group 5/11 11:05:57.123 [Guild] Saureus: WHEEEE 5/11 11:06:03.554 [Guild] Forme: bride summoning ritual 5/11 11:06:09.511 Arnijuan has joined the guild. 5/11 11:06:10.510 Rissy has gone offline. 5/11 11:06:28.988 [Guild] Zenoelea: Ok, sorry :) 5/11 11:06:31.709 Serne has left the raid group. 5/11 11:06:35.426 Callea has left the raid group. 5/11 11:06:40.985 Gontrus has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:06:42.585 Ryvenne has come online. 5/11 11:06:53.267 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 11:06:54.537 Warahip has gone offline. 5/11 11:06:54.537 Arillea has gone offline. 5/11 11:06:55.195 [Raid] Thoguht: are we setting up main tanks/assists? 5/11 11:06:55.694 [Guild] Stronglykbul: is Westfall the Alliance's Barrens? 5/11 11:06:57.118 [Guild] Passera: why are people swimming to westfall already? 5/11 11:06:59.075 Your share of the loot is 12 Copper. 5/11 11:07:01.501 Arillea has left the raid group. 5/11 11:07:01.849 [Guild] Yasura: yea 5/11 11:07:02.582 [Guild] Irma: wait, are we supposed to be leaving, yet? 5/11 11:07:05.422 Warahip has left the raid group. 5/11 11:07:05.870 [Guild] Passera: No. 5/11 11:07:08.821 Tannim has left the raid group. 5/11 11:07:10.703 Biology whispers: Don't kill...need shards! 5/11 11:07:11.841 [Guild] Maggiemae: there is nothing comparable to the Barrens :) 5/11 11:07:12.344 Tannim has come online. 5/11 11:07:15.460 [Guild] Yasura: Not yet. We still have people that are trying to catch up 5/11 11:07:15.980 To Biology: sorry! 5/11 11:07:19.496 [Guild] Maggiemae: we need to wait for everyone 5/11 11:07:23.938 [Guild] Hypothesis: barrens is like westfall + ashenvale + redridge 5/11 11:07:37.416 [Guild] Yasura: two words: goretusk liver D: 5/11 11:07:38.779 [Guild] Arnijuan: where are we meeting up? 5/11 11:07:51.102 [Guild] Lack: mankirk's wife. 5/11 11:07:52.105 [Guild] Garaka: everyone get to Yojamba isle, and if you're not in a raid group, whisper me 5/11 11:07:54.412 [Guild] Mairen: I'm logging onto Galanoth 5/11 11:08:01.731 [Raid] Maggiemae: please invite ryvenne -- it's ophelie 5/11 11:08:05.971 [Guild] Irma: closest thing for allys is wetlands, but it's a 20-30 zone 5/11 11:08:07.771 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 11:08:14.729 Ryvenne has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:08:16.330 Mairen has gone offline. 5/11 11:08:18.930 Biology whispers: I need 18s or better 5/11 11:08:28.811 Tannim has come online. 5/11 11:08:37.848 Warahip has come online. 5/11 11:08:51.843 [Guild] Maggiemae: don't get flagged before we are all ready please 5/11 11:08:55.241 Nebellia has come online. 5/11 11:09:00.201 [Guild] Tannim: can i have an invite please connection dropped 5/11 11:09:06.602 Crowhorn receives loot: Clam Meat. 5/11 11:09:36.086 [Guild] Warahip: can i have an invite as well i keep getting dropped from the server 5/11 11:09:40.753 [Guild] Slizelina: fatugue!!! 5/11 11:10:01.440 [Raid] Zultanis: im like 6 levels away from 40 5/11 11:10:05.551 [Guild] Ryvenne: Can Galanoth get a raid invite? He's Mairen's higher-level, who's coming in to help with the raid.... 5/11 11:10:06.550 Apophenius has gone offline. 5/11 11:10:06.550 [Raid] Zultanis: d 5/11 11:10:07.670 [Guild] Yasura: try swimming closer to a shore if you're getting fatigued. That's the game's way of telling you you're swimming too far away 5/11 11:10:11.367 [Raid] Zultanis: sorry 5/11 11:10:15.308 [Guild] Uljasa: optimoose, i, and others are running your way! 5/11 11:10:32.119 [Guild] Slizelina: ahh 5/11 11:10:35.628 Thoguht says: Where are we headed again? 5/11 11:10:40.541 Togda has gone offline. 5/11 11:11:01.699 [Guild] Catullus: We swim to Westfall, bnecause the hill path is a tripwire. 5/11 11:11:16.177 [Guild] Hypothesis: a tripwire? 5/11 11:11:16.376 [Guild] Stronglykbul: follow the bodies 5/11 11:11:16.939 Tannim has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:11:21.775 Warahip has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:11:29.983 [Guild] Gonzorina: SOMEONE PLEASE SUMMON MYNAMEISMAN! 5/11 11:11:30.134 [Guild] Thoguht: To stormwind? 5/11 11:11:31.334 [Guild] Forme: revive Rhiannon pls 5/11 11:11:35.575 [Guild] Maggiemae: brb 5/11 11:11:39.094 [Guild] Catullus: We arrive at the lighthouse. High level characters clear the beasts and NPCs as we march directly to Sentinell Hill. 5/11 11:11:39.673 Galanoth has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:11:42.409 Annelida performs Herb Gathering on Peacebloom. 5/11 11:11:43.691 [Guild] Forme: and Amulli 5/11 11:11:50.071 [Guild] Slizelina: has the riad started 5/11 11:11:50.450 [Guild] Rhiannonn: ouch :( 5/11 11:11:52.693 [Guild] Lack: hahaha 5/11 11:11:54.371 [Guild] Mynameisman: Could someone PLEASE summon me?!!! 5/11 11:12:00.488 [Guild] Thoguht: Sentinel Hill... got it. 5/11 11:12:02.209 [Guild] Ryvenne: I'm heading to the island to do summons. 5/11 11:12:06.650 [Guild] Catullus: At Sentinel Hill, we attack the Inn first, then the mill, then the lowbies can take out the vendors on the road. 5/11 11:12:12.087 [Guild] Catullus: Finally, mwe take the tower. 5/11 11:12:13.605 [Guild] Ryvenne: I can do 19. 5/11 11:12:23.563 [Guild] Garaka: anyone still need a raid invite? 5/11 11:12:29.865 [Guild] Nebellia: me 5/11 11:12:30.973 [Guild] Ryvenne: It'll take me a minute to boat to BB and then fly to GG and run/swim. 5/11 11:12:30.973 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: uh oh 5/11 11:12:31.204 [Raid] Zultanis: so where are we going exactly? 5/11 11:12:36.843 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: tavu rang the doorbell XD 5/11 11:12:40.641 [Guild] Catullus: I will use guild chat rather than raid, so everybody can know what we are doing 5/11 11:12:43.359 [Raid] Zultanis: stormwind or westfall? 5/11 11:12:44.641 [Raid] Thoguht: Sentinel Hill 5/11 11:12:49.798 [Raid] Thoguht: Westfall. 5/11 11:12:50.518 [Raid] Khatchi: westfall 5/11 11:12:59.358 [Raid Leader] Garaka: sentinel hill in westfall 5/11 11:13:02.757 [Raid] Zultanis: ok 5/11 11:13:04.598 [Guild] Bartlescriv: Where's the westfall group heading? 5/11 11:13:05.198 [Guild] Gonzorina: PLEASE, IF ANYONE CAN SUMMON, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF SO THAT LOST ONES CAN WHISPER TO YOU! 5/11 11:13:06.277 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 11:13:14.555 [Guild] Deaxter: nice the tauren dance troop is here 5/11 11:13:19.875 [Guild] Deaxter: I can summon 5/11 11:13:20.476 [Guild] Boscotore: Why are so many people already in Westfall? 5/11 11:13:22.196 Tannim has come online. 5/11 11:13:25.395 [Guild] Thoguht: We are waiting at the hill overlooking Sentinel Hill. 5/11 11:13:31.392 [Guild] Ryvenne: Give me 5 mins and I will summon. 5/11 11:13:35.960 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: why are so many people no in westfall? 5/11 11:13:39.999 [Guild] Bartlescriv: WESTFALL GROUP, BREAK UP. LOOKS LIKE A RAID GROUP AND IT WILL DRAW 70s TO SENTINEL 5/11 11:13:42.313 [Guild] Khatchi: 70 dranei priest just rode past 5/11 11:13:42.712 [Guild] Catullus: We have two raid groups 5/11 11:13:54.069 [Guild] Warahip: hey any shamies can i get a water walking buff 5/11 11:13:55.667 Tannim has gone offline. 5/11 11:14:00.961 [Guild] Kandilgre: I already see ?? dreanei 5/11 11:14:05.949 [Guild] Catullus: Is the group on the Isle rady to swim? 5/11 11:14:13.466 [Raid] Madrededios: are we supposed to be on the way or not? 5/11 11:14:14.387 [Guild] Kandilgre: course that only means lvl 32 5/11 11:14:14.897 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: we already swam :\ 5/11 11:14:15.704 [Raid] Crowhorn: us lowbiew will be slaughtered once we're flagged 5/11 11:14:16.986 [Guild] Stronglykbul: theres a 70 Draeneit priest here 5/11 11:14:18.425 [Guild] Catullus: SWIM!!! 5/11 11:14:23.145 Tavu yells: RUN ITS THE HORDE! 5/11 11:14:23.342 [Guild] Passera: Ready! 5/11 11:14:28.752 [Guild] Garaka: GO! 5/11 11:14:33.378 Warahip has gone offline. 5/11 11:14:35.662 [Guild] Blindedbi: let's hide in the deadmines! 5/11 11:14:38.711 [Guild] Peitewhisky: high-lvl allies are helping low-lvl ones with deadmines 5/11 11:14:39.850 [Guild] Grimflower: swimming 5/11 11:14:46.931 [Guild] Rhiannonn: yay .. alive again' 5/11 11:14:48.793 [Guild] Retief: stay close maggie and I will protect 5/11 11:14:53.018 [Guild] Garaka: do we flag ourselves on the way? 5/11 11:14:54.142 [Guild] Trickshot: Let's kill them all! 5/11 11:14:58.014 [Guild] Mynameisman: Anyone IN my raid group that can summon?! 5/11 11:15:02.391 [Guild] Yasura: we'll come in waves. use the element of low level surprise! 5/11 11:15:03.782 [Guild] Catullus: no flags 5/11 11:15:07.705 Arillea has come online. 5/11 11:15:07.916 Tannim has come online. 5/11 11:15:13.185 [Guild] Hypothesis: perhaps they'll see our guild name and won't feel threatened ... 5/11 11:15:16.231 [Guild] Ixila: You mean ultimate zergling tactics? 5/11 11:15:27.693 [Guild] Boscotore: Are you kidding? Everyone fears Science! 5/11 11:15:31.012 [Guild] Hypothesis: lol 5/11 11:15:33.930 [Guild] Boscotore: Or they will from now on. ;) 5/11 11:15:34.133 [Guild] Catullus: You will get flagged soon enough - do not raide your battle flag 5/11 11:15:44.737 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: science is the reason for fear... 5/11 11:15:48.130 [Guild] Arillea: group unvite? i was disconnected 5/11 11:15:54.248 [Guild] Kandilgre: fear science, wasn't that a presidential proclaimation? 5/11 11:15:55.777 [Guild] Locklor: do you need to be in lock group for summoning? or just raid 5/11 11:16:04.326 [Guild] Hypothesis: science with the power of magic, no less 5/11 11:16:05.926 Warahip has come online. 5/11 11:16:07.326 [Guild] Ryvenne: Should I head to island to summon, or to Westfall directly? 5/11 11:16:08.047 [Guild] Yasura: just raid i think 5/11 11:16:11.447 Siluli whispers: hey man....can u inv me ? 5/11 11:16:20.323 [Guild] Garaka: I'm fighting murlocs on westall - longshore 5/11 11:16:22.643 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: science is magic, just not the form most people think of 5/11 11:16:23.921 [Guild] Catullus: wait 5/11 11:16:26.769 [Guild] Arillea: need a raid invite 5/11 11:16:27.557 [Guild] Locklor: ok, i'm gonna try to start summoning; who needs a summon? 5/11 11:16:30.770 [Guild] Rhiannonn: think i am trying to break a record of how many times i die in a row 5/11 11:16:32.042 Arillea has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:16:34.485 To Siluli: whisper galaka 5/11 11:16:35.920 [Guild] Arillea: thankies 5/11 11:16:45.038 [Guild] Catullus: Go 5/11 11:16:46.876 [Guild] Boscotore: Wait on the beach. 5/11 11:16:49.996 [Guild] Garaka: where's here? 5/11 11:16:57.802 [Guild] Pirho: quick, send in the red shirts! 5/11 11:16:58.550 Sharmin has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:17:01.516 [Guild] Arillea: damn! im soooooooooo far!!! 5/11 11:17:03.676 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: we already got 15-20 people on outskirts of the tower 5/11 11:17:15.834 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: erm sentinal hill i mean 5/11 11:17:21.270 [Guild] Slizelina: what a loooooong swim 5/11 11:17:33.441 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: were on a hill overlooking the inn 5/11 11:17:38.468 [Guild] Arillea: errrrr sooooooo mad!!! 5/11 11:17:42.307 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: if there was any suprise element, its long gone now 5/11 11:17:49.541 Melyanna yells: theres no retreat! 5/11 11:17:53.540 Kezz yells: i doesn't afraid of anything 5/11 11:17:54.164 Melyanna yells: 27 11 11 5/11 11:18:02.903 [Guild] Khatchi: we could sit there and sneer at them 5/11 11:18:12.261 [Guild] Garaka: so are we going to sentinel hill or what? 5/11 11:18:15.185 [Guild] Yasura: Or the alliance are very puzzled 5/11 11:18:16.184 [Guild] Arillea: can someone summon me to the westfall? 5/11 11:18:17.900 [Guild] Deaxter: who will mourn the mighty murloc? 5/11 11:18:18.102 [Guild] Catullus: We go cross country, not on road 5/11 11:18:20.830 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: were already at sentinal hill 5/11 11:18:21.014 [Guild] Kandilgre: some peopel are already fighting 5/11 11:18:21.014 [Guild] Bartlescriv: Anyone summoning mynamismman>? 5/11 11:18:22.233 Biology says: Click, plz 5/11 11:18:23.497 [Guild] Garaka: half the guild is already there... 5/11 11:18:24.918 Zedediah yells: (Gorca) Kill them all!!! 5/11 11:18:27.027 [Guild] Boscotore: Another murloc. 5/11 11:18:32.079 [Guild] Arillea: ? 5/11 11:18:34.274 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: come to sentinal danigt... were already here waiting on u 5/11 11:18:41.536 Naturegirll says: [Common] BUR 5/11 11:18:47.460 Annelida waves at Naturegirll. 5/11 11:18:47.654 [Guild] Irma: that's because some people rushed the raid :( 5/11 11:18:47.855 Oisini says: sorry Bio not in your group 5/11 11:18:49.894 Crowhorn says: KEK 5/11 11:18:52.975 [Guild] Deaxter: if I can get that person in my group I can summon 5/11 11:18:53.295 [Guild] Ryvenne: I would if she were in my raid group. 5/11 11:18:57.535 Zedediah licks Naturegirll. 5/11 11:19:04.132 Alwayofmisha says: LOL KEK LOL KEK LOL KEK 5/11 11:19:04.132 Forme claps excitedly for Naturegirll. 5/11 11:19:06.574 [Guild] Hypothesis: apologies herd mentality just kicked in 5/11 11:19:11.290 Apophenius has come online. 5/11 11:19:12.247 [Guild] Grimflower: "Science Jeeeenkins!" 5/11 11:19:16.489 [Guild] Garaka: who needs a raid invite? 5/11 11:19:16.930 Zedediah hugs Naturegirll. 5/11 11:19:17.529 [Guild] Boscotore: lol 5/11 11:19:18.651 [Guild] Grimflower: heehee 5/11 11:19:19.210 [Guild] Ryvenne: *laughs* 5/11 11:19:19.451 Naturegirll says: [Common] majis 5/11 11:19:24.689 [Guild] Arnijuan: "For The Herd!" 5/11 11:19:26.016 You are now flagged for PvP combat and will remain so until toggled off. 5/11 11:19:27.375 Zedediah dances with Naturegirll. 5/11 11:19:28.810 [Guild] Mynameisman: Feel free to add me to whatever raid group you want - just summon me. 5/11 11:19:29.892 You will be unflagged for PvP combat after five minutes of non-PvP action in friendly territory. 5/11 11:19:32.208 [Guild] Boscotore: Haha, even better! 5/11 11:19:35.928 Mynameisman has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:19:35.928 [Guild] Nebellia: I do 5/11 11:19:36.849 [Guild] Liebenwalde: AIE has some 70s up here 5/11 11:19:43.285 Nebellia has joined the raid group. 5/11 11:19:44.415 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: cat, tell us when to start 5/11 11:19:45.285 Annelida says: people must click that portal 5/11 11:19:46.286 [Guild] Forme: Even tho Naturegirl doesn't speak trollish, her nick is somewhat familiar. 5/11 11:19:50.924 Wholly cheers at Biology! 5/11 11:19:51.525 [Guild] Ryvenne: Okay, one second while I get to land and find two more people, My. 5/11 11:19:58.563 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: when cat says to start, everyone yell "FOR SCIENCE" and freek em all out 5/11 11:19:59.283 [Guild] Arillea: please can some1 summon me to WEST FALL? 5/11 11:20:00.056 [Guild] Liebenwalde: is AIE allied with us? if not, there already is a raid in progress. 5/11 11:20:04.320 Wholly bursts into dance. 5/11 11:20:08.322 [Guild] Catullus: ATTACK THE INN! 5/11 11:20:12.242 Biology says: Nobody else in our raid group is here 5/11 11:20:20.000 Wholly says: [Common] me lo ve u 5/11 11:20:21.407 Forme yells: FOR SCIENCE! 5/11 11:20:22.278 Alwayofmisha yells: FOR SCIENCE!!! 5/11 11:20:24.919 [Guild] Ryvenne: Ari, you're on the list. Let me find 2 more people. 5/11 11:20:31.591 Passera yells: FOR THE HORDE! 5/11 11:20:34.998 Garaka yells: FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!!! 5/11 11:20:43.833 [Guild] Arillea: ??? 5/11 11:20:48.883 [Guild] Khatchi: skull 5/11 11:20:55.043 [Guild] Ryvenne: Need warlock plus 2 to summon. 5/11 11:21:00.510 [Guild] Arillea: o 5/11 11:21:03.087 Galanoth yells: For the Horde! 5/11 11:21:06.474 [Guild] Ryvenne: as soon as I get to where the group is, i'll get you and my 5/11 11:21:07.476 [Guild] Biology: We're at SH, but nobody else in our raid group is here 5/11 11:21:07.792 [Guild] Arillea: hurry........ 5/11 11:21:13.948 Fvantom yells: FOR THE HORDE! 5/11 11:21:15.831 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: EVERYONE YELL "FOR SCIENCE" and let em know how many of us there truely are 5/11 11:21:20.030 [Raid] Sharmin: invite dreadsheath please 5/11 11:21:20.947 [Guild] Catullus: TO THE TOWER 5/11 11:21:21.795 [Guild] Deaxter: need summon target in group 5/11 11:21:22.668 [Guild] Arillea: i could die any sec 5/11 11:21:24.759 Zultanis cheers at Mondorus! 5/11 11:21:25.867 Tavu yells: TO STORMWIND! 5/11 11:21:27.944 Tormine creates Bolt of Linen Cloth. 5/11 11:21:31.274 Tormine creates Bolt of Linen Cloth. 5/11 11:21:34.752 Tormine creates Bolt of Linen Cloth. 5/11 11:21:40.553 [Guild] Ryvenne: in group or just in raid? 5/11 11:21:55.940 [Guild] Arillea: ?? 5/11 11:22:04.299 Boscotore yells: FOR SCIENCE 5/11 11:22:15.771 Biology yells: For Science! 5/11 11:22:21.582 Fvantom yells: THE DIE IS CAST STORMWIND! 5/11 11:22:22.217 Arnifor yells: for science 5/11 11:22:22.217 Arnijuan yells: for science 5/11 11:22:22.385 Arnitrie yells: for science 5/11 11:22:22.385 Arnitou yells: for science 5/11 11:22:24.391 Forme yells: FOR SCIENCE! 5/11 11:22:25.174 [Guild] Deaxter: in group 5/11 11:22:27.108 Grimflower yells: FOR SCIENCE!!! 5/11 11:22:33.944 [Guild] Bartlescriv: impossible lag 5/11 11:22:35.174 Boscotore yells: HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR SCIENCE, ALLIES?! 5/11 11:22:35.734 Irma yells: For Science! 5/11 11:22:36.983 Alwayofmisha yells: FOR SCIENCE 5/11 11:22:39.254 [Guild] Arillea: need A SU MMON REALLOY BAD! 5/11 11:22:44.535 Lack yells: FOR SCIENCWE 5/11 11:22:44.940 [Guild] Catullus: Group near the Gryphon Master 5/11 11:22:49.972 [Guild] Arillea: SUCH A BAD SPELLER 5/11 11:22:49.975 Forme yells: KILL EVERYONE JUST FOR SCIENCE 5/11 11:22:53.282 [Guild] Arillea: ME 5/11 11:22:55.084 Melyanna yells: 27 11 11 5/11 11:22:56.386 Lack yells: KEK! 5/11 11:23:03.464 Widdie dies, honorable kill Rank: Knight-Lieutenant (2 Honor Points) 5/11 11:23:03.690 Tormine creates Bolt of Linen Cloth. 5/11 11:23:03.693 [Guild] Rhiannonn: ouch again 5/11 11:23:04.251 Deaxter yells: asshattery for science 5/11 11:23:05.536 [Guild] Khatchi: clumping bad idea 5/11 11:23:09.994 [Guild] Pirho: ouch 5/11 11:23:10.267 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: lol wipe 5/11 11:23:12.004 [Guild] Jakola: haha 5/11 11:23:17.450 Azergoth dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:23:19.109 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: humorus tho... 5/11 11:23:24.465 [Guild] Biology: Yeah, mage got a lot of kills off that AoE 5/11 11:23:28.446 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: and laggy 5/11 11:23:28.609 Trixier dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:23:29.069 Boscotore yells: Don't be afaid to die for Science. It's worth it! 5/11 11:23:38.579 Jalena giggles at Doira. 5/11 11:23:39.823 [Raid] Zultanis: wow... they're actually fighting back 5/11 11:23:42.121 [Guild] Arillea: omg...... im sooooooooo far 5/11 11:23:42.862 Optimoose seems a little tipsy from the Moonglow. 5/11 11:23:46.204 [Guild] Yasura: not flagged but taking lots o' screenies 5/11 11:23:52.616 Boscotore falls asleep. Zzzzzzz. 5/11 11:24:01.736 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: FP down it seems? 5/11 11:24:03.221 Melyanna yells: Woooohooooo! 5/11 11:24:05.839 [Guild] Ryvenne: Come click on the summoning circle someone. 5/11 11:24:08.589 Garaka's pet begins eating a Wild Hog Shank. 5/11 11:24:12.468 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: down those gryphins 5/11 11:24:22.176 [Guild] Yasura: got it 5/11 11:24:23.273 Irma waves at Aevii. 5/11 11:24:24.460 Passera's pet begins eating a Haunch of Meat. 5/11 11:24:29.279 Cymbiotic's pet begins eating a Bristle Whisker Catfish. 5/11 11:24:29.550 Optimoose seems to be sobering up. 5/11 11:24:32.737 [Guild] Ryvenne: Again pls 5/11 11:24:34.534 [Guild] Arillea: thankies 5/11 11:24:38.027 Ryblock has gone offline. 5/11 11:24:40.919 [Guild] Yasura: summons in, prepare to die! lol 5/11 11:24:41.352 [Guild] Rhiannonn: down again 5/11 11:24:47.335 Widdie dies, honorable kill Rank: Knight-Lieutenant (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:24:51.290 [Guild] Arillea: ??? 5/11 11:24:56.098 [Guild] Pirho: I didn't even see what whacked me 5/11 11:24:58.674 [Guild] Yasura: inc* (incoming) 5/11 11:25:01.195 [Guild] Passera: halp 5/11 11:25:04.763 [Guild] Liebenwalde: pallies are spamming consecration 5/11 11:25:04.994 [Guild] Forme: YARR DIED FOR SCIENCE 5/11 11:25:06.155 Kandilgre has gone offline. 5/11 11:25:13.156 [Guild] Mynameisman: THANK YOU!!! 5/11 11:25:18.933 [Guild] Warahip: i got hit once i think 5/11 11:25:18.933 Trixier dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:25:20.238 Garaka's pet begins eating a Wild Hog Shank. 5/11 11:25:22.236 Arillea says: kewl 5/11 11:25:36.027 [Guild] Hypothesis: wish i could hear alliance chat right now 5/11 11:25:54.027 [Guild] Maggiemae: lol me too 5/11 11:25:55.781 [Guild] Hypothesis: it'd be cool to have an accompanying chatlog 5/11 11:25:59.259 [Guild] Yasura: Something with lots of letters and leetspeak 5/11 11:25:59.372 [Guild] Rhiannonn: my tally is the 5th death for Science! :P 5/11 11:26:03.495 [Guild] Warahip: is anyone doing rez or we running back 5/11 11:26:12.300 Saureus has died. 5/11 11:26:13.618 [Guild] Hypothesis: we're near the gy 5/11 11:26:15.736 [Guild] Warahip: thankyouj 5/11 11:26:23.205 Mobus has gone offline. 5/11 11:26:24.110 [Raid] Saureus: rez please! 5/11 11:26:25.106 [Guild] Garaka: graveyard's close, just run 5/11 11:26:25.680 Gizsela creates: Healthstone. 5/11 11:26:26.138 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: your run is shorter than your spawn timer 5/11 11:26:26.138 [Guild] Annelida: its like 50 yrd run 5/11 11:26:27.743 [Guild] Tannim: that would be funny to hear what they think of this' 5/11 11:26:31.903 [Raid] Saureus: k 5/11 11:26:37.982 Xokkov yells: [Common] Se re ve ru re y 5/11 11:26:40.944 Captain Danuvin says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:26:43.325 [Guild] Yasura: I love all the green running around xD 5/11 11:26:49.806 Gonzorina's pet begins eating a Snapvine Watermelon. 5/11 11:26:54.040 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: all the bones are gonna be hilarious to see after this is done 5/11 11:26:58.447 Cymbiotic's pet begins eating a Bristle Whisker Catfish. 5/11 11:27:10.180 Gonzorina's pet begins eating a Snapvine Watermelon. 5/11 11:27:10.231 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: lol look at all those bones... 5/11 11:27:16.396 Hypothesis salutes Arnijuan with respect. 5/11 11:27:16.582 [Guild] Warahip: i don't even think i got hit this time 5/11 11:27:22.780 [Raid] Sharmin: 2 minutes to res, oops 5/11 11:27:25.246 Supremeone yells: [Common] WALDIRSKILDE 5/11 11:27:28.994 [Guild] Extropia: third death for SCIENCE! 5/11 11:27:32.704 [Guild] Jakola: that pally is durable:) 5/11 11:27:34.709 [Guild] Maggiemae: mana burn himi 5/11 11:27:36.301 Garaka's pet begins eating a Wild Hog Shank. 5/11 11:27:37.579 Saureus has died. 5/11 11:27:38.369 [Guild] Warahip: second one here 5/11 11:27:43.865 Optimoose has gone offline. 5/11 11:27:43.980 Shlaw dies, honorable kill Rank: Knight-Lieutenant (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:27:45.641 [Guild] Bartlescriv: tough to take down a pally 5/11 11:27:46.890 [Guild] Khatchi: woo. 5/11 11:27:58.068 Kurenaii dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:28:00.868 [Guild] Maggiemae: next one, priest mana burn pally 5/11 11:28:01.754 Widdie dies, honorable kill Rank: Knight-Lieutenant (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:28:03.193 [Guild] Apophenius: was afk just arrived at yojamba maybe should just stay and dig the tunes! 5/11 11:28:03.977 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: Do your part: make some bones. 5/11 11:28:17.632 To Yasura: thanks 5/11 11:28:18.882 [Guild] Bartlescriv: lol, gotta wait 30 to rez 5/11 11:28:22.571 Ryvenne creates: Soulstone. 5/11 11:28:31.931 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: hehe ya, spawn timer is getting long 5/11 11:28:37.381 Cymbiotic's pet begins eating a Bristle Whisker Catfish. 5/11 11:28:39.041 Yasura has died. 5/11 11:28:42.081 Passera's pet begins eating a Raw Brilliant Smallfish. 5/11 11:28:45.250 [Guild] Warahip: any preists close 5/11 11:28:50.783 Irma's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 11:28:55.724 Ryvenne creates: Greater Healthstone. 5/11 11:28:57.545 [Guild] Warahip: im by the tents 5/11 11:28:59.745 Deaxter has gone offline. 5/11 11:29:01.542 [Guild] Passera: geebus 5/11 11:29:04.515 Cymbiotic's pet begins eating a Bristle Whisker Catfish. 5/11 11:29:08.647 Gonzorina's pet begins eating a Snapvine Watermelon. 5/11 11:29:10.183 [Guild] Apophenius: omw 5/11 11:29:20.049 Boscotore yells: Our science is undeniable! 5/11 11:29:24.103 Gonzorina's pet begins eating a Snapvine Watermelon. 5/11 11:29:25.426 Khatchi has died. 5/11 11:29:28.954 Daignist dies, honorable kill Rank: Corporal (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:29:31.124 Smuggler dies, honorable kill Rank: Corporal (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:29:31.906 Yasura yells: For Science! 5/11 11:29:32.598 [Guild] Passera: 2 minutes til res 5/11 11:29:37.315 [Guild] Tannim: i got hit once 5/11 11:29:40.856 [Guild] Forme: ARRR 5/11 11:29:41.598 Trixier dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (2 Honor Points) 5/11 11:29:45.841 Despair yells: We blinded you with SCIENCE! 5/11 11:29:47.894 Gonzorina yells: DIE FOR SCIENCE!!! 5/11 11:29:47.894 Arillea yells: yes....for science 5/11 11:29:49.209 Azergoth dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:29:54.489 Arnitrie cheers! 5/11 11:29:54.489 Arnifor cheers! 5/11 11:29:54.721 Arnitou cheers! 5/11 11:29:54.721 Arnijuan cheers! 5/11 11:29:58.228 Nokota yells: SCIENCE! 5/11 11:29:59.437 Tavu yells: SCIENCE ROCKS! 5/11 11:30:03.157 Arillea yells: moohAHA 5/11 11:30:06.431 [Guild] Hypothesis: going to head over to ally side see if i can catch some of their reaction 5/11 11:30:06.540 Lack yells: FOR SCIENCE! 5/11 11:30:14.735 Cymbiotic's pet begins eating a Bristle Whisker Catfish. 5/11 11:30:16.314 [Guild] Forme: DEADLY SCIENCE, please res ) 5/11 11:30:16.314 [Guild] Ryvenne: Somebody get that darned hunter! 5/11 11:30:16.435 Tavu yells: SCIENTIFIC METHOD > STORMWIND? 5/11 11:30:19.654 Hypothesis has left the raid group. 5/11 11:30:26.680 Despair yells: Donate more bodies to SCIENCE! 5/11 11:30:39.900 [Guild] Garaka: wow...one hit kill... :-( 5/11 11:30:41.490 Ronaan's pet begins eating a Tough Jerky. 5/11 11:30:41.866 Hypothesis has gone offline. 5/11 11:30:42.096 Catullus says: FOR SCIENCE! 5/11 11:30:44.309 Passera's pet begins eating a Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper. 5/11 11:30:51.569 [Guild] Bartlescriv: 2 Minutes I have to wait now. Lame 5/11 11:30:56.785 Saureus has died. 5/11 11:30:57.820 Boscotore yells: I name this Science Hill! 5/11 11:31:00.013 [Guild] Yasura: wtb mana regen, i'm trying to heal as many as I can xD 5/11 11:31:00.870 [Guild] Pirho: wow I lasted 30 seconds that time 5/11 11:31:03.720 [Guild] Catullus: Absolute chaos - very scientific 5/11 11:31:08.777 Liebenwalde has gone offline. 5/11 11:31:08.786 Arillea yells: ahhhh! humans! 5/11 11:31:09.217 Alishya yells: I left plenty of mine laying around here 5/11 11:31:10.038 Gonzorina yells: SCIENCE HILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5/11 11:31:17.012 Alwayofmisha yells: CLASS IS IN SESSION! ITS TIME FOR SOME SCIENCE! 5/11 11:31:24.130 Mondorus yells: For Science! 5/11 11:31:28.337 Kastina says: 70s by the tower 5/11 11:31:30.029 Garaka yells: FOR SCIENCE!!! 5/11 11:31:30.586 [Guild] Khatchi: all they hear is gibberish 5/11 11:31:31.078 Jalena yells: Ewwwww Humans! 5/11 11:31:32.343 Åura laughs at Wurmwood. 5/11 11:31:38.152 Kezz yells: FOR THE HORDE 5/11 11:31:41.331 [Guild] Rhiannonn: still down :( 5/11 11:31:49.544 The Defias Traitor says: [Common] Uden 5/11 11:31:49.779 [Guild] Passera: man 5/11 11:31:51.495 Arillea yells: this hilll belongs to science! 5/11 11:31:51.883 [Guild] Passera: i kill one 5/11 11:31:53.174 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: group picture in top of tower? 5/11 11:31:54.642 [Guild] Passera: i get killed 5/11 11:31:58.314 Arillea yells: atleast for now 5/11 11:31:59.457 Deaxter has come online. 5/11 11:32:01.636 Yasura has died. 5/11 11:32:06.450 Ryvenne has gone offline. 5/11 11:32:08.188 [Guild] Pirho: group picture on top of the skeletons? 5/11 11:32:13.495 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: both :D 5/11 11:32:16.512 Hycintha has gone offline. 5/11 11:32:17.054 Jalena yells: Quick, do some experiments on it 5/11 11:32:18.476 Valkirin dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:32:21.639 Kurenaii dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (1 Honor Points) 5/11 11:32:39.759 [Guild] Catullus: TOP OF TOWER! 5/11 11:32:49.305 Gryan Stoutmantle says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:32:49.305 Gryan Stoutmantle says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:32:49.305 Gryan Stoutmantle says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:32:50.786 [Guild] Garaka: everyone on top of the tower 5/11 11:32:50.945 Gonzorina yells: SCIENCE TOWER!!!!!!!!!!! 5/11 11:32:55.057 Yasura has died. 5/11 11:32:59.025 [Guild] Pirho: hey, there are 2 alliance hiding behind the stumps at the bottom of the hill picking people off 5/11 11:32:59.929 [Guild] Uljasa: very cool 5/11 11:33:10.766 Saureus has died. 5/11 11:33:14.689 [Guild] Mynameisman: Well, it was a nice view before I died... :-) 5/11 11:33:18.999 Gryan Stoutmantle says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:33:18.999 Gryan Stoutmantle says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:33:23.567 Amulii has died. 5/11 11:33:24.908 Gryan Stoutmantle says: [Common] Goibon Uden lo 5/11 11:33:25.870 Gryan Stoutmantle attempts to run away in fear! 5/11 11:33:25.873 [Guild] Extropia: wasn't it, though? 5/11 11:33:31.250 [Guild] Extropia: I got a shot off, at least! 5/11 11:33:32.824 Valkirin dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (4 Honor Points) 5/11 11:33:34.376 [Guild] Saureus: I took pictures My :D 5/11 11:33:35.186 Khatchi has died. 5/11 11:33:39.203 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: ew 2 min res timer 5/11 11:33:46.043 [Guild] Garaka: well...someone just killed everyone on the tower...where were our 70s? 5/11 11:33:55.537 [Guild] Khatchi: pally at top 5/11 11:33:56.897 Kyrsson has come online. 5/11 11:34:05.360 Yasura has died. 5/11 11:34:06.968 Captain Danuvin attempts to run away in fear! 5/11 11:34:10.794 Azergoth dies, honorable kill Rank: Private (2 Honor Points) 5/11 11:34:11.015 Cymbiotic's pet begins eating a Bristle Whisker Catfish. 5/11 11:34:13.581 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: make sure u kill all the enemy player, that way their rez timers get so long they give up 5/11 11:34:14.066 [Guild] Yasura: oh consecrate, how evil 5/11 11:34:15.604 Khatchi's pet begins eating a Zesty Clam Meat. 5/11 11:34:19.764 [Guild] Apophenius: 70 hunter coming with me 5/11 11:34:26.644 Elywen has gone offline. 5/11 11:34:26.872 [Guild] Extropia: where is everybody now? 5/11 11:34:27.531 Galanoth yells: All your base are belong to us! 5/11 11:34:29.690 [Guild] Boscotore: I wish we had a spy in the Alliance so we could record their chat from this raid. 5/11 11:34:29.882 Khatchi has died. 5/11 11:34:30.478 [Guild] Khatchi: lot sof them now 5/11 11:34:31.891 Saureus has died. 5/11 11:34:37.828 [Guild] Saureus: aw darnit haha 5/11 11:34:45.197 Gonzorina yells: PREPARE! 5/11 11:34:47.641 [Guild] Annelida: easy enough to make one in elwynn.. 5/11 11:34:49.118 [Guild] Jakola: is everyone in the tower? 5/11 11:34:53.444 [Guild] Annelida: in fact, maybe i will do that ;) 5/11 11:34:54.116 [Guild] Garaka: everyone back up on the tower! 5/11 11:34:55.045 Galanoth calls out for healing! 5/11 11:34:56.551 [Guild] Passera: prepare to be boned 5/11 11:34:58.001 [Guild] Yasura: my ghost is xD 5/11 11:35:10.039 [Raid] Galanoth: Iivite aesdelira 5/11 11:35:13.876 Móðsognir yells: [Common] VOHL MAJIS ODES RAS MAJIS ADOR 5/11 11:35:19.073 Yasura has died. 5/11 11:35:22.430 The Defias Traitor says: [Common] Uden 5/11 11:35:23.650 Supremeone yells: [Common] WALDIRSKILDE 5/11 11:35:34.886 [Guild] Yasura: a death coil...skillcoil :( 5/11 11:35:40.518 [Guild] Saureus: nasty gnome running around 5/11 11:35:43.181 Algure salutes Wurmwood with respect. 5/11 11:35:45.704 Annelida has gone offline. 5/11 11:35:46.101 Arillea has gone offline. 5/11 11:35:48.872 Amulii has died. 5/11 11:35:54.609 [Guild] Garaka: uh-oh...carnie's pissed at me for getting him killed so much... 5/11 11:35:54.797 [Guild] Lack: all us lowbies are getting stompled 5/11 11:35:55.747 Khatchi's pet begins eating a Tender Crocolisk Meat. 5/11 11:35:55.747 [Guild] Passera: a lot of nasties 5/11 11:35:58.020 Galanoth yells: All your base are belong to us! 5/11 11:35:58.020 Móðsognir yells: [Common] o noth borne bur ras vassild ewiddan 5/11 11:35:58.020 Jalena yells: Eat our digital shorts!! 5/11 11:36:04.484 [Guild] Lack: stomped, even 5/11 11:36:05.167 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: it would seem we are now having a seige... 5/11 11:36:08.870 Boscotore yells: SCIENCE ALWAYS PREVAILS 5/11 11:36:10.989 Móðsognir yells: [Common] bur goth ko vohl o noth tiras 5/11 11:36:13.038 Amulii has died. 5/11 11:36:13.640 Zultanis yells: MAKE YOUR TIME! 5/11 11:36:15.425 Galanoth yells: ssFor science! 5/11 11:36:19.239 Saunter brushes up against Cainable and farts loudly. 5/11 11:36:20.290 Saunter brushes up against Cainable and farts loudly. 5/11 11:36:21.269 Mondorus's pet begins eating a Raptor Flesh. 5/11 11:36:22.111 [Guild] Bartlescriv: could be the end 5/11 11:36:24.568 [Guild] Yasura: Science must not get trumped by the ignorant masses! >_> 5/11 11:36:26.900 [Guild] Crowhorn: we're getting some epicced level 70 Alliance players here to defend now 5/11 11:36:27.543 Smuggler's pet begins eating a Homemade Cherry Pie. 5/11 11:36:31.033 Boscotore yells: I can't understand a workd you're saying. Don't you speak SCIENCE? 5/11 11:36:32.714 Irma yells: For Science! 5/11 11:36:36.005 Khatchi's pet begins eating a Tender Crocolisk Meat. 5/11 11:36:43.836 [Guild] Lack: yeah 5/11 11:36:44.062 Mondorus's Cat is dismissed. 5/11 11:36:45.814 Åura laughs at Catullus. 5/11 11:36:49.542 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: lvl 70s, defend the stairs to the top 5/11 11:36:55.680 [Guild] Maggiemae: we need some healz 5/11 11:36:57.267 Stronglykbul's pet begins eating a Smoked Talbuk Venison. 5/11 11:36:57.358 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: uh oh big inc 5/11 11:36:57.862 [Guild] Lack: there are about 6 or 7 well geared 70s just destroying us 5/11 11:36:58.942 Cainable's pet begins eating a Striped Yellowtail. 5/11 11:37:01.425 [Guild] Warahip: this sucks, im up to a 50 sec rez time 5/11 11:37:01.549 Khatchi has died. 5/11 11:37:04.248 Galanoth calls out for healing! 5/11 11:37:06.231 [Guild] Ixila: I am here, just in time to die! 5/11 11:37:07.669 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: wipe XD 5/11 11:37:19.692 Deaxter yells: can't we all just get along? 5/11 11:37:20.174 Yasura yells: FOR SCIENCE 5/11 11:37:35.571 Yasura yells: reached the top! huzzah! 5/11 11:37:36.585 [Raid] Thoguht: the horror 5/11 11:37:42.557 Yasura has died. 5/11 11:37:52.261 [Guild] Yasura: foiled again! xD 5/11 11:37:58.509 [Guild] Warahip: fun as i rez i die 5/11 11:37:58.509 Apophenius has gone offline. 5/11 11:38:06.140 [Guild] Gizsela: I am up to two mina 5/11 11:38:06.694 Galanoth calls out for healing! 5/11 11:38:08.177 [Guild] Extropia: not only didn't I see the one that got me, I didn't even see there were Alliance there! 5/11 11:38:09.532 Bartlescriv bursts into dance. 5/11 11:38:09.883 [Guild] Passera: So, uh, how do we get out of this? 5/11 11:38:17.910 [Guild] Crowhorn: rez 5/11 11:38:19.960 Arillea has come online. 5/11 11:38:20.695 [Guild] Valieria: gtg have fun all 5/11 11:38:22.913 [Guild] Uljasa: getting close to my death-train record! 5/11 11:38:23.130 [Guild] Crowhorn: and hearth 5/11 11:38:24.625 [Guild] Kyrsson: what happened to the other guild? 5/11 11:38:37.242 [Guild] Gizsela: we need a few more 70s 5/11 11:38:45.052 Valieria has gone offline. 5/11 11:38:46.149 Smallie says: [Common] thor 5/11 11:38:47.287 Smallie says: [Common] waldir 5/11 11:38:47.291 [Guild] Zedediah: AIE- they're still around 5/11 11:38:48.824 [Guild] Alwayofmisha: wait for pvp to go off in 5 mins and then hearth, or run away, die, res, die, res, die, res, run, hearth 5/11 11:39:03.731 Changed Channel: [1. General - Orgrimmar] 5/11 11:39:03.731 Changed Channel: [2. LocalDefense - Orgrimmar] 5/11 11:39:04.411 Unknown creates Kibler's Bits. 5/11 11:39:06.397 Aeonboom creates Kibler's Bits. 5/11 11:39:09.833 Aeonboom creates Kibler's Bits. 5/11 11:39:13.036 Nebellia has gone offline. 5/11 11:39:13.765 [Guild] Tannim: lots of ghosts at the top of the tower 5/11 11:39:14.049 [Guild] Extropia: Woot, Group 5 all dead and accounted for! 5/11 11:39:14.632 [Guild] Garaka: or just stay dead until they decide to leave 5/11 11:39:16.030 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish. 5/11 11:39:18.772 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish. 5/11 11:39:20.217 [Guild] Thoguht: Good fun all! 5/11 11:39:22.348 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish. 5/11 11:39:25.740 You leave the group. 5/11 11:39:25.740 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish. 5/11 11:39:26.415 You have left the raid group. 5/11 11:39:29.077 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish. 5/11 11:39:32.332 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish. 5/11 11:39:35.955 Aeonboom creates Poached Bluefish.